Take seeing. You don't see the tree, instead light is incident on your eyes, and then other things happen, resulting in what you and most folks call perception. All of which the tree has nothing to do with. You don't see the tree. — tim wood
Representationism - whatever that is - is a red herring here. — tim wood
@Terrapin Station Don't be obtuse. Take seeing. You don't see the tree, instead light is incident on your eyes, and then other things happen, resulting in what you and most folks call perception. All of which the tree has nothing to do with. You don't see the tree. — tim wood
The ground of all of this appears to be his understanding of subjective/objective, and it's untenable. And this is more than a twice-told tale. It famously exercised Hume and Berkeley, and Kant even more famously resolved it. But Terrapin is apparently innocent of any knowledge of these things. But that's mere ignorance, and we're all ignorant. But he's also been told, so that it really isn't ignorance. What do you call that? — tim wood
Keep in mind it's being asked through the filter of his definition. If it's subjective, then it's not the tree. — tim wood
Yes. But now reconcile that with your definition of subjective/objective. — tim wood
That you think I am something you call a "representationalist" while I am referencing Kant simply demonstrates willful ignorance. — tim wood
The trouble is that perception itself is in-itself nothing. — tim wood
It requires reason to put the perception into the order that, — tim wood
Because the objects of knowledge are a synthesis of perception of the object and mind/reason, — tim wood
you don't get to the object as ground. — tim wood
You rule out mind/reason. — tim wood
reason would be, should be, within, even define, the capacity of any reasonable being, — tim wood
Because in your definition, everything is subjective or object(ive) (it's - they're - both). — tim wood
You hold the tree is objective, which is irreconcilable with your definition — tim wood
, because in its objectiveness, you rule out mind.
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