No no, the other way around. 'Information transfer' is one way we do things with words. — StreetlightX
It started with the OP and Banno's inability to acknowledge and answer tough questions. — Harry Hindu
Like I said earlier, the information isn't being moved, it is being copied. — Harry Hindu
So it seems from this that you agree with the title of this thread? — Banno
Information and meaning are the same thing. — Harry Hindu
When we're talking about meaning, that's a property of brains that can't be transferred to soundwaves, gestures, marks on paper, etc. Of course, in a very ontologically loose manner of speaking we say things like "I get your meaning, man," but what's really going on there is not a literal transfer of properties or processes. — Terrapin Station
The best articulated definition comes from information theory. And in a way this thread is about how such information becomes meaningful. — Banno
The best articulated definition comes from information theory. — Banno
Be worthy. — Banno
It seems to me that inorganic sensory information processing systems can process semantic information as well as physical information. For me there is no difference other than the causal relationships that result in information. Minds are just as much a transmitter (a cause) of information as a receiver (an effect), and simply attend to the information that is useful in the moment.I agree.
The former is semantic information, and the latter is physical (specifically, first inorganic, then organic) information. — Galuchat
Information exists everywhere that we either attend or ignore depending on the present goal in the mind. If we arent ignoring information, what are we ignoring? There are both useful and useless information, not that usefulness makes information. The ignored information might be useful for some other goal.I have said that "Information is the result of communication." Specifically, information is a decoded message. — Galuchat
...information does not have meaning until it does work. — Banno
Then its meaning and not information that gets copied to other heads via language use? You still haven't addressed the issue of moving information versus copying it. Can meaning be copied?...information does not have meaning until it does work. — Banno
It's doing things with words. — Banno
Language is not moving information from one head to another.
..information does not have meaning until it does work. — Banno
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