The statement is an appeal to fear and hatred: side with those who support ‘the possibility of armed citizens’, OR be associated with Palestinian suicide bombers, Taliban and anyone who kidnaps women for rape and sex-slave trade. This isn’t feminism. It’s a false dichotomy. — Possibility
.Okay. Then if they have term ‘females’ in their name then doesn’t it follow that they represent the views or conditions of females. What’s a feminist if not someone representing the views of women and only women? — Brett
In my opinion not just with your perception, but the whole construct. The proposition, oft pronounced, is that, "I need my gun to feel safer!" The real question is, will a gun make me, cause me to be, safer? And the answer to the question is no. No, period. If gentle reader doubts that answer, let him read again the question until he understands it.Your position seems to be that if you believe you need a gun to feel safe then the problem is with you, that it’s with your perception of the world. — Brett
The real question is, will a gun make me, cause me to be, safer? And the answer to the question is no. No, period. — tim wood
But therein lies the truth: guns often prove to be a cure much, much worse than any problem they're supposed to solve. . — tim wood
What’s a feminist if not someone representing the views of women and only women?
Edit: okay, I think I see, a feminist is someone who advocates for women’s rights. — Brett
The real question is, will a gun make me, cause me to be, safer? And the answer to the question is no. No, period.
— tim wood
You can only be sure of that if you ignore everything I’ve shared in this thread. — AJJ
How exactly, does a gun make you safer? Obviously there's a trick; don't fall for it. — tim wood
Murder rates decline when either more women or more men carry concealed handguns, but the effect is specially pronounced for women.
I don’t see why. — AJJ
Also, Lott isn't a statistician. Not that I think that that's at all the only relevant expertise. — Terrapin Station
For one, most people are not murdered by strangers, or in situations where they might be carrying concealed weapons. — Terrapin Station
In fact, the FBI’s category of people who ‘know’ their victims includes a huge number of rival gang members who know each other. This is not quite why this oft-quotes statistic is taken to mean.
You say, ignoring what I’ve just posted. Assertions, nothing but. — AJJ
A lot of that statistic, according to what I’ve shared, is made up of gang members killing other gang members, who they “know”. This means that the statistic is for the most part not referring to regular people being killed by other regular people known to them. — AJJ
How exactly, does a gun make you safer? Obviously there's a trick; don't fall for it.
— tim wood
It’s easy to think why one could, but that’s beside the point; — AJJ
I am unfamiliar with the research, but one thing I know immediately:it does not say what you say it says.John Lott’s research shows allowing them to be legally owned and carried reduces violent crime. — AJJ
No, it's not beside the point. Answer the question; let's see where it goes. — tim wood
John Lott’s research shows allowing them to be legally owned and carried reduces violent crime.
— AJJ
I am unfamiliar with the research, but one thing I know immediately:it does not say what you say it says. — tim wood
Ok. What does he say? — tim wood
And the question, "How exactly, does a gun make you safer," is a fair question. Either answer, or say why you won't. — tim wood
I won’t, because it’s beside the point. If John Lott’s research shows what he claims it shows, then the freedom to carry guns does make people safer, however that may be the case. — AJJ
You won't answer a fair question? And how can any relevant question "be beside the point"? — tim wood
I have now read on Amazon a sampling of Lott's book and am deeply suspicious of his methodology and his conclusions. Others can read there as well. — tim wood
I have now read on Amazon a sampling of Lott's book and am deeply suspicious of his methodology and his conclusions. Others can read there as well.
— tim wood
What makes you suspicious? — AJJ
A no-brainer thought experiment: in a bar full of drunks late a Saturday night do you feel safer if all have guns or none have guns?
Or everyone: no guns? Some guns? Everyone carrying a gun at all times? In my opinion Lott is selling something and I wonder what. — tim wood
So you’re suspicious for a bunch of vague reasons to do with your obvious prejudice. — AJJ
I genuinely feel safer that the vast majority of adult males in my country do know how to use an assault rifle, aim the rifle by using the sights and know how to clean it… or will remember after a 10 minute recap on the weapon.Or everyone: no guns? Some guns? Everyone carrying a gun at all times? In my opinion Lott is selling something and I wonder what. — tim wood
Actually, no. Very concrete and definite reasons having to do with statistics, which I understand well enough to know when they smell. — tim wood
Anyone who supposes that guns make people safer is someone who left off thinking when he entered the room. — tim wood
Some guns can make some people safer than they were under some conditions, and with certain prior qualifications. I see no evidence of that kind of consideration. And as well, the gun that makes that person safer in some ways increases his or her risk or danger in other ways, as well as affecting the safety of others. — tim wood
So you don't answer questions but ask them, draw false conclusions, are ignorant, and throw a little shade because you think that's argument. You must be a Trump! — tim wood
Or try being a bit more intelligent - I suspect you have it in you. Or quit. You've made this thread to this point useless. See if you can put back into it the life you've sucked out of it. — tim wood
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