I don't see how god comes into it really as I don't believe in a creator god. — Mark Dennis
Without a creator god, what can bring about a something from nothing? The god itself would have to be a something and therefore there wasn't nothing, there was god. — Mark Dennis
There was never a time outside of the beginning of time for there to be no time. Therefore time has always been. Same with the universe, there was never a time where there was a nonexistence and then existence. So whether the universe is cyclical or not, the universe has always been here. It's the only place that can have an always. — Mark Dennis
Beginnings I think are something we as humans project onto the universe because we can verify our own individual non-existence — Mark Dennis
See this is what I mean, In order to explain a universe of spacetime with a beginning you've used a something (A wider timeless universe) to explain it. So no nothing. Where is the start supposed to have been? — Mark Dennis
Why do you still assume time started? — Mark Dennis
Or Spacetime for that matter? They are all part of the same improvable dogam that things need starts. — Mark Dennis
Right there is the crux of your fallacious reasoning. For you everthing starts with god. In another attempt you failed to prove god existed. Now you try to prove that creation happened.We can imagine as a thought experiment an eternal god.. etc — Devans99
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