I agree, but what particular duties are entailed by this special responsibility?I think creating another existence is special responsibility and an endorsement of life but simply existing isn't. — Andrew4Handel
I agree, but what particular duties are entailed by this special responsibility? — Relativist
I think that the fact that we cannot consent to be brought into existence creates a real and serious problem. — Andrew4Handel
I think parents can be held accountable for the life they created but I don't think anyone can be held accountable for their own existence. I think creating another existence is special responsibility and an endorsement of life but simply existing isn't. — Andrew4Handel
Consent is an issue for things that are capable of granting or withholding consent.
It can't be an issue for things that are not capable of granting or withholding consent. — Terrapin Station
prepared to take responsibility for its own existence — Possibility
I just doesn't make sense to ask for consent to live of a newborn baby. — Wallows
I am discussing the fact that none can automatically be considered to have consented any aspect of life and society. — Andrew4Handel
However here I am discussing the lack of consent that arises once someone is born until they explicitly give consent at some stage. — Andrew4Handel
I don't see any reason why the parents don't have the right to make the decision that a child will be born. — T Clark
Well, typically we don't consider kids to be capable of consent until they're older--until they've gone through puberty, or until they've reached adulthood, etc — Terrapin Station
At some stage a person will be able to exhibit rational consent.
A very young child already withdraws its consent for a lot of things.
They often say no and can experience harm and desire boundaries. Also there is no reason to believes that the parents are capable of being a reasonable parent and the grounds to judge this problematic. It isn't children that voted for the Nazi's etc.
I think peoples analysis of childhood here is very unrealistic. — Andrew4Handel
We could argue that consent should be an issue earlier than it is, but then we need to be prepared for allowing kids to make their own decisions about all of that sort of stuff. A lot of people aren't prepared to allow that. — Terrapin Station
My opinions on this are fairly controversial, but as I said, the vast majority of people aren't ready to let kids decide whether they want to drink and get tattoos and have sex — Terrapin Station
These are not the consent issues that concern me — Andrew4Handel
This is true of any species — Possibility
Okay, but you can't really be selective about it. If you're going to argue that kids need to consent to their situation, you're opening up the door to consent about everything. — Terrapin Station
My position is that none consented to being born — Andrew4Handel
after coming to exist they did not consent to anything unless they explicitly consent to it. — Andrew4Handel
My older brother has had MS in its severe form for 20 years that has left him helpless and paralyzed. I can't imagine anyone consenting to that. — Andrew4Handel
it's not an action directly performed on someone by some other agent. Consent is only an issue for that in my opinion. — Terrapin Station
I don't to need to stick my hand in a fire to know i would not consent to having my hand stuck in a fire. — Andrew4Handel
where you have an option to stick your hand in a fire and choose to, or where someone is offering a fire to you to stick your hand in — Terrapin Station
A unconscious person can not express their consent on whether they would like their hand stuck in a fire. Unconscious people can never express an opinion so this period of inability to voice consent does not entail any rights or justifications for someone else to do something to them
Your positions entails that as soon as someone is unconscious or asleep then their inability to consent justifies whatever you do to them. — Andrew4Handel
There are lots of things that should or could deter a parent from having a child. Are you seriously claiming anyone anywhere in any circumstances is somehow entitled to have a child. — Andrew4Handel
is that a consent issue — Terrapin Station
I said that her prospective parents provide that consent, — T Clark
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