I've said at least four or five times now that the problem isn't planting the bomb. It's the bomb going off. — Terrapin Station
You are aware that people commit suicide aren't you? — Andrew4Handel
Ok. When you have a child and he experiences pain. How is that different from the bomb situation. Let's compare analogies here. I'm comparing having a bomb implanted in someone whcih explodes harming him without his consent with having children then them experiencing depressive thoughts which harms them without their consent: — khaled
That causally peggable specific action is giving birth to them. — khaled
I did. Whatever caused the depressive thoughts was ultimately caused by being born — khaled
Just because the causal chain is complicated doesn't change the fact that it ultimately started with birth. — khaled
Either you can specify the causal chain or you cannot. If you can, let's get to it. If you cannot, simply admit that. — Terrapin Station
I cannot. Now explain to me chemically how bombs work. Because unless you do that the bomb planter is innocent apparently. Can you do that? If not just admit that — khaled
If we can't do that, then we can't say that the bomb planter violated someone's consent, right? How would that help your argument? — Terrapin Station
No we KNOW he planted the bomb. But you do not know exacly how it works and that makes him innocent? — khaled
So the bomber is innocent until you personally get a chemsitry degree? — khaled
If X is a necessary condition for Y to occur and Y occurs was X the cause of Y? — khaled
Wait wot. What's an example? Wha'ts a cause then? — khaled
Antinatalism simply pegs all forms of suffering to being born. — schopenhauer1
I dont have to show how every connection leads to birth — schopenhauer1
You do for it to be causally-peggable, because that's what that term refers to. — Terrapin Station
Antinatalism simply pegs all forms of suffering to being born. It is a KNOWN that life contains various amounts and varieties of suffering and negative experiences. All suffering can be prevented with no a ACTUAL person being deprived. Win/win. — schopenhauer1
You can travel to South Africa without breaking your leg. So traveling to South Africa doesn't cause you to break your leg. — Terrapin Station
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