The career of an evolutionary biologist would be over the very moment s/he opines publicly something like "The known mechanisms of evolution can only account for microevolution, but in order to explain macroevolution we need a transcendent and divine force." — Matias
Of course, if you come from a branch of Christianity that takes the Bible ad litteram, then that's another whole story. — Patulia
As such, [religions] should have nothing to say about science, or other factual domains. — Pantagruel
So science and religion are or should be fully reconcilable. — Pantagruel
And science is always about facts, or what is. So any normative prescriptions about what is "right" or "wrong" to believe (i.e. Evolution is "right" therefore believing in the bible is "wrong") are NOT themselves scientific. So science and religion are or should be fully reconcilable. — Pantagruel
I was careful to say if each is true to its essence. Anything can be bastardized. Science that is true to scientific principles and religion that is not in a state of self-contradiction, two things as the ideally should be, are applicable to different domains of things. — Pantagruel
In contrast, for some Pagans, nature is capricious, arbitrary, and imprecise. No science, then, in any modern sense is possible. The best that can be done is an effort to describe nature qualitatively - and imprecisely. — tim wood
If you are a theist in one of these religions who took much of the scriptures as metaphorical attempts to describe spiritual values and processes, this could be compatible with science. And then if you were not bound to scripture, it could also be compatible. IOW consider these culture bound and historically bound texts, but still ones with facets of truth. And then if one is not in one of the Abrahamic religions and none of one's beliefs contradict scientific models. — Coben
I am afraid you are missing the point of that. It is NOT the business of science to make normative claims. — Pantagruel
I am saying that things like the length of time the earth has been here and the universe has been here, iow areas of scripture where religion contradicts theory, are taken as metaphorical. But one still believes there is a God and that there was some guy, for example, Jesus, whose teachings can help one be a good person, come closer to God and so on.If you're one of those "It's all a metaphor" theists, then a) you're not really a theist in any meaningful sense, and b) you're not who I was referring to, and therefore beside the point I was making. — S
I am afraid you are missing the point of that. It is NOT the business of science to make normative claims. — Pantagruel
I am saying that things like the length of time the earth has been here and the universe has been here, iow areas of scripture where religion contradicts theory, are taken as metaphorical. But one still believes there is a God and that there was some guy, for example, Jesus, whose teachings can help one be a good person, come closer to God and so on. — Coben
Evolution obliterating the ABCs of Genesis is no small matter, and so now we know that the Bible can't be counted on in its areas of metaphysics. — PoeticUniverse
‘and so what?’ — Wayfarer
The biggest organised religions make factual claims - factual claims which aren't supported by science. — S
Weren't you just warning against the No True Scotsman fallacy yourself?But you can't take everything in scripture as metaphorical whilst maintaining to be a theist in any meaningful sense of the word, and this is not a common position. The key tenets, most essentially God, are not widely considered metaphors, and no credible science leads to a supernatural creator of the universe or whatever. — S
Yes, there are areas of scripture that can be taken as metaphorical, such as the length of time the earth has been here. But you can't take everything in scripture as metaphorical whilst maintaining to be a theist in any meaningful sense of the word, and this is not a common position. — S
So, someone made [the Creation myth] up—your foundational page one. Then they could say, "no big deal" or "who cares!" — PoeticUniverse
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