It's necessary for him to have committed suicide at home, though. It's the same thing as my South Africa example earlier, where you and Janus argued that traveling to South Africa was indeed a cause of me breaking my leg in South Africa. — Terrapin Station
Doesn't it? "Precondition" and "Necessary condition" sound like synonyms to me. — khaled
makes mincemeat out of the conventional connotations of "cause" and "culpability." — Terrapin Station
So how is what the kidnapper did wrong? — khaled
How would Hitler be culpable for anything? He didn't cause direct physical deformations did he? — khaled
He kidnapped someone. That's doing something against their consent, where the person is normally capable of granting or withholding consent. — Terrapin Station
Right. He wasn't culpable on my view. — Terrapin Station
No they're not they're sleeping. — khaled
Is a rapist culpable for doing harm onto someone? — khaled
You might as well hold up a sign announcing that you don't understand why I'm using the term "normally" — Terrapin Station
A rapist is physically doing something to someone else, aren't they? They're not only telling someone else to do something — Terrapin Station
A rapist is physically doing something to someone else, aren't they? — Terrapin Station
I thought you would say that a torturer and kidnapper would be culpable for BOTH torture and kidnapping not just kidnapping. — khaled
So was the torturer. — khaled
You asked me about kidnapping. — Terrapin Station
Again, I added that to the post in question awhile ago. — Terrapin Station
I have no clue what you're talking about — khaled
Is torturing someone while giving them an easy way to kill themselves wrong or not? — khaled
By this point, if you were not a moron, you should be able to know what my answer will be:
Its wrong if by torture we're referring to doing physical violence to the person, in a way that the macro effects will linger, where the victim is normally capable of granting or withholding consent to such actions — Terrapin Station
Just to be clear, do you consider applying any force that leaves physical changes without consent bad because: — khaled
Ok. The point of the whole scenario was that IF you were B, I would say that the harm isn't caused by Jill but by Jack's decision. But if it's A then yea sure Jill bad — khaled
There is no point in debating who's the cause of Jack's suffering if you picked A — khaled
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