Should state prosecute people who order killings or have a stance or an ideology which promotes violence. — Wittgenstein
Should state prosecute people who order killings or have a stance or an ideology which promotes violence. — Wittgenstein
If a speaker, specifically points out a person and orders his followers to cause harm to the person, that would clearly be a direct cause of any violence. — Wittgenstein
to my knowledge, Hitler never killed anyone. — Terrapin Station
Would you regard fraud as being a crime — Wittgenstein
I never implied that, but the murderer is only responsible not the instigator according to you. Similarly in a fraud the person who spreads misinformation is not at fault.I'm not saying that people who are murdered are responsible for their own murder because they "fell for it."
If someone lies to you and you fall for it, it will be on you just as you argued in case of murderers who fall for hate speeches and carry out the act of murder. — Wittgenstein
By falling l never meant out of their control, l meant being influenced to a significant effect. — Wittgenstein
Again, in my view, "The world we need is one in where people don't believe anything just because someone said it, don't automatically follow anyone's orders just because someone gave them, etc. " — Terrapin Station
if we have people who'll follow orders to kill someone just because the orders were given, that's the problem. Having laws against speech isn't going to change that. — Terrapin Station
We don't have a world like that. — Hanover
Do they really decide and have a free will. — Wittgenstein
. Let's say you are a nazi soldier who is ordered to kill an innocent Jewish women and if you refuse to obey the orders, you could get yourself executed. — Wittgenstein
When a person of authority commands you to do a certain act, he is using you as a tool for his crime like a murderer using a gun to commit a kill someone. Would you consider commands to also fall under free speech ? — Wittgenstein
Fraud is a crime not because of speech, but because you're promising something that at some point you have no intention on delivering--it's a contractual issue, not a speech issue. — Terrapin Station
Make the people who carry out the actions in question solely responsible. — Terrapin Station
I am really glad that you are willing to die for others and save their lives but everyone isn't. Even if you want the world to be like that, it is not possible simply due to the way power works. If people could simply overcome orders,there would be no authority in this world. Is the world like that now, No. I think we have to be pragmatic when we take a stance. There will always be a hierarchy of power due to uneven distribution of resources.Yes. I've already said a couple times that people shouldn't follow orders just because they're given. That we have a culture like that is a big part of the problem.
A contract isn't a speech act? — Hanover
If people could simply overcome orders,there would be no authority in this world. Is the world like that now, No. — Wittgenstein
Hate speech must die. — StreetlightX
Take Hitler for example. — Wittgenstein
Would you consider commands to also fall under free speech ? — Wittgenstein
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