'White' people stereotype 'black' people and vice versa.
Rich and wealthy people stereotype against those less financially capable and vice versa.
Men stereotype against women and vice versa.
Nationalities stereotype each other.
Different generations and age groups stereotype each other.
Does financial discrimination take precedence over racial discrimination? Aren't the wealthy and rich more likely to accept someone of like financial status of a different race than someone far less financially capable of the same race?
Aren't men more likely to discriminate against women (even of the same race) than against men (including those of different races).
Do 'black' people have a problem with the n-word or only when used by 'white'people?
Women don't want to be objectified... right? So there's no way they would exemplify objectification towards aspects like sexuality... right?
Bullying in school works both ways i.e. relatively smart people discriminating against relatively stupid people and vice versa. Also, those relatively physically capable vs those much less so.
Financial discrimination is all about the value of the size of one's coffers.
Racial discrimination is not as impactful when the minority are biased against the majority who set the values and standards appreciated within a particular sphere of interaction.
Then you ask if begging for acceptance is the right way to go about overcoming discrimination. I don't know if you've been paying attention or not but right now, there is not much begging going on. If you are overtly racist or sexist, you will be personally attacked, your business may be attacked and you may even be physically attacked and we've seen countless examples of that. — Judaka
If you are overtly racist or sexist, you will be personally attacked, your business may be attacked and you may even be physically attacked and we've seen countless examples of that. — Judaka
OP asks us to reflect on whether begging is the right way to go about overcoming discrimination when this is the approach of literally nobody. — Judaka
Nowadays, some discrimination is more accepted and/or mitigated than others... right? — BrianW
Does financial discrimination take precedence over racial discrimination?
Aren't the wealthy and rich more likely to accept someone of like financial status of a different race than someone far less financially capable of the same race?
Aren't men more likely to discriminate against women (even of the same race) than against men (including those of different races).
Is begging for acceptance or equal consideration the right way to go about overcoming discrimination? — BrianW
(These are just a few highlights.) — BrianW
OP is a muddle. If it can't be clarified this thread will be closed. — StreetlightX
OP is a muddle. If it can't be clarified this thread will be closed. — StreetlightX
Imo, this has nothing to do with overcoming discrimination. Resorting to verbal attacks or physical brutality is a statement about the level of intelligence (emotional and intellectual) one employs. Not only is it counter intuitive to ending discrimination, it also fuels the fire often beyond control of the participants. — BrianW
The quotes... seriously?
Ok, the quotes are mine (consider them as a kind of soliloquy in reply to the numbered questions). Since they're under my name, aren't they automatically attributed to me? — BrianW
That does not mean there lacks a way to overcome discrimination. In fact, the best method has been to employ reason. The foremost supporters of equality against all kinds of discrimination have been those devoted to application of reason. They could be philosophers, scholars, ordinary men and women, etc, however their method is intrinsically self-sustaining because it can withstand reciprocation. Even politicians who usually try to fake it sometimes slip up and get caught in their lies.
However, reason is not the path of least resistance for most people. Usually they want to demand appropriate consideration, declare their right to equality, defame the biased, etc, etc, which to me is kind of like begging for a certain level of acceptance since they all need acknowledgement from others. Hence that question in the OP. — BrianW
[1.] Everybody stereotypes everybody... right? — BrianW
[2.] Nowadays, some discrimination is more accepted and/or mitigated than others... right? — BrianW
I am "black" and proud.
I am "white" and proud.
I am tall and proud.
I am short and proud.
I am skinny/thin and proud.
I am fat and proud.
(No one really says they're "poor and proud". Although, Socrates may have insinuated something close to that, if translated loosely or poorly :wink: )I am rich and proud.
I am poor and proud.
Reverse racism is a thing... right? — BrianW
you listed 'pride' statements, I just realized this quote might be confusing out of context.Anyways, aren't the above statements the kind of nonsense that enable discrimination? — BrianW
If that pride is the consequence of possessing a "thing", doesn't that mean the lack of that "thing" is a cause for shame? Otherwise, we would all just be proud, period. — BrianW
what would that look like? — ZhouBoTong
Anyways, aren't the above statements the kind of nonsense that enable discrimination?
— BrianW
you listed 'pride' statements, I just realized this quote might be confusing out of context.
Many different culture view 'pride' differently. But generally, I agree that 'pride' would not typically imply that all people are equal...and beyond that it implies that a certain characteristic (whatever one is proud of) is 'right' and anyone who possesses said trait is 'better'. — ZhouBoTong
If someone flaunts their "thing-ness" (white-ness) over others, then in response those others reverse the point of bias and attempt to flaunt their "thing-ness" (black-ness) back at them, doesn't that make dumb-asses of both? — BrianW
If that pride is the consequence of possessing a "thing", doesn't that mean the lack of that "thing" is a cause for shame? Otherwise, we would all just be proud, period. — BrianW
Have you ever genuinely been on the receiving end of discrimination? — Possibility
The way I see it, this pride statement means ‘I won’t hide my ‘black’-ness just to be considered as a human being - this is who I am, so take notice.’ It has nothing to do with flaunting anything OVER anyone else. — Possibility
You’ve got this wrong. It’s not in response to someone flaunting their ‘whiteness’. It’s in response to a silent assumption that there is the world that makes sense, that is expected, ordered and regular - and then there is ‘black’-ness. — Possibility
The ‘dumb-ass’ is the one who thinks ‘black’-ness and ‘white’-ness currently describe the same ‘thing’-ness in human experience. This is about restoring the pride of being a human being to anyone we might describe as ‘black’. — Possibility
[3.] Expectations and desired responses (wrt pride and status) are greater factors in discrimination (from the point of view of our demands) than actual human value... right? — BrianW
In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. — Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. - I Have A Dream
Women don't want to be objectified... right? So there's no way they would exemplify objectification towards aspects like sexuality... right? — BrianW
Human experience is a tool for extracting the value we designate as understanding. To that end, we transcend whatever "thing-ness" we experience. They are ignorant those who get caught up in the experience of "things" and deny themselves the upgrade of understanding which should be the hallmark of all homo sapiens. — BrianW
Discrimination is the result of an irrational response to ignorance and fear. A top-down moral imperative isn’t going to work, and only inspires anger from all sides. Overcoming discrimination starts with increasing awareness, connection and collaboration. Whether that’s a call for authority to enforce it (through desegregation, equal rights, restructuring discourse and language, education, collaborative projects, etc) or initiated at an individual level, to me it’s the most effective solution. — Possibility
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