but that corrupt status quo of unchecked capitalism with its dominance by moneyed interests is thankfully over, at least for the time being — Erik
And it's not the preservation of legacy I'm concerned with but tearing down something in its entirety that a slight majority of the people seem to support (or a slight minority, depending on how the popular vote will play out). But never mind them, because they lost, right? — Benkei
think that is entirely possible. I come from one of those working class families with many members who supported Trump, and can say with confidence that not all Trump supporters were motivated by bigotry and hate. That was a caricature disseminated by popular media, the motivation perhaps being to shame decent folk away from any association with Trump. I don't think that grotesque aspect of his candidacy was essential to all or even most of his voters. What was essential was the fact that a large segment of US citizens have been hit hard over the past 40 or so years in material and psychological terms, — Erik
And so your opinion would have been the same had Clinton won, considering the polarization would have been the same and we'd still be on the same 200+ year collision course set in motion when the Constitution set out the foolish election system it did? — Hanover
And I would also ask: do you really think Trump needs more money? — Erik
Most U.S. philosophy forum members probably voted for Clinton or Jill Stein?
I voted for Trump. I actually consider myself a "socialist libertarian" at this point (in lieu of something better to call myself . . . my views are a mixture of socialism and libertarianism, but my views are also extremely idiosyncratic), but I voted for Trump partially because there was no way I wanted Hillary to win. I've never liked Hillary, I didn't like Bill when he was president, and I'd rather have someone in office who isn't a career politician.
If I had been voting for the person whose views I most agree with, I would have voted for Jill Stein--I voted for her in 2012. Not that I agree with her on everything, but she was the best choice in my opinion. Of course, we're still nowhere near any party other than Republican and Democrat being a viable option for achieving the presidency, so a vote for Jill Stein from me this time around would have simply made it easier for Hillary to win. — Terrapin Station
So there's the big elephant in the forum...
Does anyone have thoughts on what this might mean? — schopenhauer1
...but that corrupt status quo of unchecked capitalism with its dominance by moneyed interests is thankfully over, at least for the time being. — Erik
given that Hillary was the better, and Trump was the worse, of the only two candidates . . . It is completely against socialist interests — Sapientia
As I said about my views, "in lieu of something better to call myself . . . my views are a mixture of socialism and libertarianism, but my views are also extremely idiosyncratic"
I can't stand Hillary. I didn't like Bill when he was president either. I don't dislike Trump. In fact, I like many things about him. I just do not agree with all of his views. But there is never a presidential candidate where I agree with all of their views, and I don't even usually agree with most of any candidate's views. — Terrapin Station
So, not only did you make the worst possible decision, you did so on shaky grounds. Is that supposed to be a defence? — Sapientia
If I can't stand waters that aren't infested with sharks — Sapientia
You know that "worst"/"best" etc. are subjective, right? — Terrapin Station
What does "can't stand" have to do with anything I said about Trump? — Terrapin Station
Ah, that old chestnut. — Sapientia
They are relative terms. — Sapientia
How about my second question? — Terrapin Station
It doesn't. It has to do with what you said about Clinton. In the analogy, Clinton is the safe waters, Trump is the sharks, and voting for trump is swimming in shark infested waters. — Sapientia
If trump is the sharks, but I can't stand Clinton, then you'd be equivocating "sharks". — Terrapin Station
What? How so? — Sapientia
Ah--I misread you as saying "If I can't stand waters that ARE infested with sharks"--I didn't read it as "AREN'T" That's why it made no sense to me. — Terrapin Station
So yeah, if you like sharks, you can't stand waters that don't have them (which isn't what I said, but okay, we can go with that) and you want to go swimming with them, then sure, you should. — Terrapin Station
You believe that some people shouldn't do things they like in that vein, because someone else feels differently about it? — Terrapin Station
Get involved in philosophical discussions about knowledge, truth, language, consciousness, science, politics, religion, logic and mathematics, art, history, and lots more. No ads, no clutter, and very little agreement — just fascinating conversations.