You're conflating speech and things like rape and bombings. For some odd reason you can't see the distinction between speech and other actions. — Terrapin Station
Conflating? No, I don't think so. I'm connecting the two. Causally-connecting. — Pattern-chaser
Who decided what "hate speech" is in the UK? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
you're jumping from support of free speech to support of bombings, for example, as if there's no distinction between the two. — Terrapin Station
We know, confirmed by empirical observation, that any utterance telling someone to murder someone else sometimes causes someone to murder someone else, because the utterances are made and the murders sometimes happen. — Pattern-chaser
hate speech from the POTUS directed against them — Pattern-chaser
we cannot expect precise, logical and repeatable behaviour. — Pattern-chaser
Different people react differently. — Pattern-chaser
Then you're not talking about causality. — Terrapin Station
Which means that the cause isn't the speech, but something else. Something about the person in question.
Why is it illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater (when there's no fire).`?Exactly right. Pretending speech causes the movement of matter is essentially to believe in sorcery. — NOS4A2
Why is it illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater (when there's no fire).`? — Coben
That's a good question that would be interesting to research historically--the roots of the belief that speech can be to blame in situations like that. — Terrapin Station
I think we could devise an illegal experiment. Shouting duck or fire or rape or bomb in various locations and then having control tests in similar location types, to see if speech is causal. — Coben
Could you make the statement that I think is implicit in this...I would guess it is something like:If it's causal, then no matter who is hearing it, they need to react in the relevant way. Otherwise we need to account for the difference. — Terrapin Station
Why is it illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater (when there's no fire).`? — Coben
The recent El Paso shooter confirmed his intended targets were "Hispanics", and his actions followed hate speech from the POTUS directed against them. The connection cannot be proven, of course. — Pattern-chaser
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