I'd even argue the idea that hate speech causes violence has parallels with the idea that videogames cause violence. — Necrofantasia
A better option would be to use one's own freedom of speech to challenge and undermine hate speech because it is validation that emboldens people to act upon it. — Necrofantasia
What is truly needed though, is to analyze what brings people to the kind of mindsets that would feel hate speech is justified — Necrofantasia
These are both empirical statements, not philosophical ones. Whether there is a correlation between hate speech and violence is an empirical fact, in my opinion too obvious to even counter, but if you wish to counter it, doing so would require empirical evidence. — Isaac
Correlation and causation are different things. Is exposure to hate speech all it takes for individuals to start hating groups of people to the point of engaging in violence ? Or are there other factors at play that create a predisposition to social enmity? (i.e. Economic uncertainty, lack of alternative explanations lack of adequate education, indoctrination from childhood, cultural precedents, group pressure etc.) If you Need something in place of censorship to avert violence, maybe looking at those factors would produce better results.Say there is a causal correlation. Allowing hate speech would cause violent harm to come to people. Don't you think we need a little more than your ad hoc 'reckon' about whether there is a link, given the nature of the harm that would arise were we to presume not? — Isaac
How can it be the case both that we know violence is not caused by hate speech, and that the causes of hateful mindsets still require analysis? What is it about the state of psychology do you think, that has resulted in certainty about the causes of violence, but not the causes of hateful speech acts? — Isaac
I don't agree that speech can actually cause violence. People deciding to be violent causes violence. — Terrapin Station
Correlation and causation are different things. Is exposure to hate speech all it takes for individuals to start hating groups of people to the point of engaging in violence ? Or are there other factors at play that create a predisposition to social enmity? — Necrofantasia
This is why I included you in the list. You are a black wolf in white sheeps' clothing. You are undermining, or trying to, huge empirical evidence, by downplaying the effect.I don't think we have direct and unequivocal evidence that hate speech causes violent actions, — Isaac
Societies set their own laws, but those laws can still be right or wrong — NOS4A2
Societies are like nature in the proverb: red in tooth and claw. They don't play well with others. They do what they want without regard to others. And they're too big to argue with, so we don't. Societies are sociopaths. — Pattern-chaser
Societies set their own laws, but those laws can still be right or wrong — NOS4A2
you clueless douche, — DingoJones
For those who insist on finding case studies of empirical evidence of hate speech causing undue and unwarranted violence, I offer the example of Nazi Germany. The Jews and the Christians reluctantly had mulled about doing their own business, and more-or-less had strived within the situation of multi-religious nations. Then came a hate speaker, and as a direct result of his efforts, six million Jews were brutally executed, or horribly tortured or both. This is a direct result of having a single solitary person spewing out hate speech. If you need any more evidence than this that hate speech is effective, then first drive a dagger through my throat. — god must be atheist
. . . that's just evidence of not understanding how I use the word "cause." — Terrapin Station
I wholeheartedly agree with this. You don't specifically target hate speech, but the meaning is there: some societies approve of it, some disapprove, so you just have to roll with the flow. This is true. In our society hate speech is disallowed, and that's that, you say, as "that's that" applies to all rules of any society. — god must be atheist
That sounds like a pretty hateful bit of speech at the end (when you tell me to go fuck myself) you clueless douche, better be careful lest someone read that and be causally forced to commit violence.
What a joke. — DingoJones
Causes are physically deterministic forces, where, if A is the cause of B, B must follow A, ceteris paribus. — Terrapin Station
I'd say his utterances did not — Terrapin Station
And yet (some of) those to whom those utterances were directed did kill people, or have them killed. Was that coincidence? — Pattern-chaser
You can hate me, and you can express it on these pages. And I can hate you, and I expressed on these pages that I do, and there is nothing wrong with that. The wrongness starts when we would entice others to hate the other along with our personal hatred. — god must be atheist
Okay, I'll disregard your future comments. If you are so stupid as to not notice the causation between Hitler's speeches to the Reichstag and to the people of Germany, his book "Mein Kampf" and the ensuing Nazi rule, then I have no hope of ever getting through to you.So I don't consider Hitler to have caused anyone's death. — Terrapin Station
So what are your rules for acceptable expressions of hate and not? If when telling one person you hate them you justifiy it and others can see this, could this not incite hatred in others? Likewise with groups?What makes a communication of hatred one that incites others? — Coben
Causes are physically deterministic forces, where, if A is the cause of B, B must follow A, ceteris paribus. — Terrapin Station
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