belief — 3017amen
Or more specifically, the belief in Jesus is both a Subjective and Objective truth. Is that a true statement?
Or how about this (phenomenology); I had a religious experience yesterday. Is that a true or false statement? — 3017amen
How do you understand the fall of man in a different way? — TheMadFool
And please save us from a bunch of political double speak. — 3017amen
Note that the Jews see our elevation which Christianity sees a fall. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Or more specifically, the belief in Jesus is both a Subjective and Objective truth. Is that a true statement? — 3017amen
unequivocally — 3017amen
LOL, man you got to give me something harder than this LOL!
What were the conflicts largely based upon? Self inflicted? Here's a clue: Human volitional existence.
Mmmm and throw in a little bit of human Ego, and there you have it!!!! — 3017amen
good point — Bitter Crank
"I can unequivocally state, but not prove to you, that transformation and revelation exists in consciousness." — 3017amen
I agree, but too many philosophers engage in extraneous double speak. They figure the more words one uses, the more important they may look & feel. — 3017amen
Hey, would that happen to be one interpretation known as original sin ? — 3017amen
Original sin is more like an innate tendency in human design rather than useless philosophical babbling due to poor definitions or whatnot. — PoeticUniverse
Without sin, our evolution would end and we would go extinct. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
So I say quit waving the Fundy flag judging mankind and make an educated renewed paradigm. Isn't it simpler to say something along the lines of " the interpretation of the allegory is that we are not perfect beings". — 3017amen
Their artistic solution to the problem of the difficulty of life was to place in the story of Eden, where Adam and Eve sacrificed their innocence to the seductions of the snake/evil tempter. the cause of our daily suffering. — Bitter Crank
Revelations is certainly later than Genesis, but where did the Revelation author get the basic idea of snakes not being reliable advisors (I don't know, I'm asking). — Bitter Crank
What was going on in the story is more portentous than Snake merely inviting Eve to doubt what she doesn't understand. What interest did Snake have in Eve partaking of the forbidden fruit? What was his agenda (or her agenda -- the snake could have been female; in fact, I have the distinct feeling just now that the Snake in Eden was definitely female). — Bitter Crank
For the biblical writers who believed in a just God, there had to be a monumental cause to justify/explain the enduring disagreeableness of life. Their artistic solution to the problem of the difficulty of life was to place in the story of Eden, where Adam and Eve sacrificed their innocence to the seductions of the snake/evil tempter. the cause of our daily suffering — Bitter Crank
Even some of our cooperation became due to its necessity to help in the hunt, whether of animals or enemy tribes. — PoeticUniverse
the snake could have been female; in fact, I have the distinct feeling just now that the Snake in Eden was definitely female). — Bitter Crank
Accordingly I had a similar issue that I posed to Gnostic Bishop but didn't really get his take on it. — 3017amen
You still need to understand the nature of God from the Christian perspective. God is spirit. (John 4:24)A second class and immoral solution to a self-created problem.
A human man would do the opposite and step up himself instead of sending a son to die.
Right? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
This shows that you have gone to quite an extent to oppose me. I understand morality as "do unto others as you would have them do to you". So, for example, if you are a parent and you know that the child doesn't understand how dangerous the road is, would you say it is immoral to warn them to not go there?What is bad about following an immoral command to stay stupid and too dumb to even know they were naked. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
How does it happen that you don't see it? 1 Corinthians 13 is a popular definition of love, including:Love is not a genocidal god and to say that Yahweh knows how to love is not demonstrated. The opposite is in fact shown. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
That's a strawman fallacy. There is no indication that mankind's evolution would have stopped if they had have not brought forth sin. In fact, believers have faith because of the hope in the truth to the contrary (Genesis 3:22, Revelation 2:7, Romans 8:21, 1 Corinthians 2:9).It certainly does if you can see that little bit of evil as compared to the real evil that would be if man stopped his evolution. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
I don't live that way though, and the world wasn't like that to begin with (Genesis 2:16, Genesis 13:8-9, Matthew 5:38-48). That way is the way of the world that we become when we choose to do and defend sin (Genesis 3:19, John 8:44, James 1:14-15, 2 Peter 2:1-3, Matthew 12:43-45).We must compete to survive and thrive and that competition is the cause of all human against human evil. It creates a victim or loser to the competition. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
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