There's no desire to understand how the Quran was written, who wrote it, Muhammad's place in history, etc.
The Civil War was not just about ending slavery; it was also about denying states the prerogative of leaving the union (California secessionists, take note). — Bitter Crank
I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. — Lincoln
I mean does Saudi Arabia needs us in their country spreading our "enlightened" values to their ignorant people? — TheWillowOfDarkness
The point is there is a racism in our insistence that we must know better — TheWillowOfDarkness
, we are really calling for a genocide of the tradition in a favour of our own. — TheWillowOfDarkness
And we DO know better. Homosexuality can be punished by death in Saudi Arabia. Surely you can't excuse this with an appeal to cultural relativism? — dukkha
and so acting like Islam is just savagery amounts to equating their way of life, and so them (the non-white muslim), with nothing but a heinous harm to the world. — TheWillowOfDarkness
There's no desire to understand how the Quran was written, who wrote it, Muhammad's place in history, etc. No, just endless books and articles being created on how queer black Muslims in Belgium negotiate relations of power.
Us Westerns aren't the only ones capable of recognising the worth of gay people. — TheWillowOfDarkness
Deeply embedded prejudice against gay people within Islamic culture in other cultures? We can't really touch that. It needs to be addressed from the inside. — TheWillowOfDarkness
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