A totalitarian state generally 'fixes' who has power here: an unchangeable state. A — StreetlightX
Loosely: any societal action (which might include setting up institutions!) made to maintain or effect a change in the distribution and effects of power in society. Anything that involves the question(s) of Who(?) does What(?) to Whom(?) for Whose benefit(?) at the social level. — StreetlightX
Power is the fundamental unit of identity. — unenlightened
Politics therefore is a corruption of 'societal action', which without coercive power would be inescapably cooperative. — unenlightened
All societal action is power bound, and the attempt to say it isn't is just unreflective and unacknowledged wielding of power. — StreetlightX
I wonder if saying that all politics is identity politics is a way of denying fluidity in favor of static identities. — frank
Views like that end up naturalizing existing power-relations under the guise of being 'power-free'. — StreetlightX
Tell me where I was wrong. — StreetlightX
What other kind of politics is there? — StreetlightX
Politics is about force — Snakes Alive
I suspect what people mean by identity politics when they rail against it is that the groups along which people identify are things like race, gender, etc., rather than class (as leftists would like), nationality (as nationalists would like), religion (as the religious would like), etc. — Snakes Alive
Sometimes this too. But there are plenty of other ways in the politics plays out, as I tried to relate. — StreetlightX
in the end, it's still about who gets to kill who (or some proxy for it, like imprisonment). — Snakes Alive
In other words, the question has moved from "which nation gets to kill which other nation" to "which race gets to kill which other race," etc. and some people like that, some don't. — Snakes Alive
there's no gun at the end of it, it's not power, since then people can just ignore you. Who would pay taxes if you couldn't be imprisoned for it? And what do you think happens if you resist imprisonment? — Snakes Alive
I'm not American, thankfully. — StreetlightX
As for politics as predicament - that's another interesting one. A problem to be solved, rather than a field of life to be negotiated. Of course those who want to 'solve' politics have always been the willing to do the worst. — StreetlightX
But why are you shilling for our ideology online, then? — Snakes Alive
I'm not sure any one quality uniting the ones willing to do the worst, except maybe that they could. — Snakes Alive
Since we don't, then not doing so results in an audit...resisting an audit results in an arrest...resisting an arrest results in being shot. — Snakes Alive
It's not yours! Jeez. Americans. — StreetlightX
No, but a distaste for politics has always been a bad sign of things to come. — StreetlightX
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