The aim of this topic is laudable, I think, but quite possibly unattainable, as you suggest. — Pattern-chaser
So the real question is, do we have what it takes to come up with a description resembling The Creator of the universe? — staticphoton
I just have a general aversion to poetry. — ZhouBoTong
I think a place to start is can we say that God can be a metaphor for "what is" (aka metaphysics)? — schopenhauer1
So does this restrict the kinds of propositions about God that one can put forth? I thought I was getting close to consensus with at least some folks, while others were never seeking consensus. — uncanni
Zhou BoTong, trapped in a cave by a poem,
As by the writing on the wall stranded,
Was martially both right and left handed;
Such he slashed rhythms and rhymes from the stone. — PoeticUniverse
which is that a meaningful distinction between theism and atheism must be maintained if we're to talk any sense. I believe in what is. That doesn't mean that I believe in God. That doesn't make me a theist. — S
If it's not a sensible consensus, then it's not worth it. If the rest of you all agreed that God is a state of mind, then good for you, but that's still a terrible description. — S
your simple poem above took me two or three reads before I really understood all 4 lines — ZhouBoTong
I had to first look up the Zhou Botong character on Wiki so that the poem would make a little bit of sense. — PoeticUniverse
But I am not convinced that most people in this thread are even understanding what we are getting at...I certainly am not understanding what they are getting at? — ZhouBoTong
I hear all that. But I am not convinced that most people in this thread are even understanding what we are getting at...I certainly am not understanding what they are getting at? — ZhouBoTong
but there was a paradox with the 'Eternal' being timeless and and 'God' seeming to do things in time, this perhaps making for some bad weather in the thread when it became known. — PoeticUniverse
There Zhou relaxes, up against a tree,
Savoring the feeling of the poetry,
Where all the flowers used in Shakespeare’s plays
Grow together in a living bouquet. — PoeticUniverse
So are you suggesting… — ZhouBoTong
But it's difficult for them — Pattern-chaser
Can we come to an agreed description of God, or is that just a pipe dream? — Pattern-chaser
It is easy to talk about the alleged god: "God does not exist." — god must be atheist
Yes. :smile:Can we come to an agreed description of God, or is that just a pipe dream? — Pattern-chaser
But now, Science has whittled the material world down to intangible particles & invisible fields, and found that -- lo and behold -- the foundation of physics is grounded on immaterial metaphysics. — Gnomon
:up:Physics, once more direct, is now but an
Immaterial science of math-shadows,
While mysticism, once but a fogged notion,
Claims the direct observation of the Light. — PoeticUniverse
Atheists love to talk about God. But it's difficult for them, as there is no generally agreed description* of God. It's probably the case that there are as many conceptions of God as there are believers, but are there general beliefs about God that many or most of us share? Come on, let's help the atheists out, by giving them a description of God to play with — Pattern-chaser
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