A Miracle Cure is defined as lasting remission of a terminal disease that can not be explained in terms of existing medical science. It has to be verified by high calibre medical experts. — Jacob-B
Hardly anything characterizes the irrational intransigence of the Catholic church than the belief in ‘Miracle Cures’. — Jacob-B
I am a non-believer. I should point out that belief in cures by holy men and holy places exist also among Jews a Moslems but. unlike in Catholicism, they are not sanctioned by mainstream establishments. — Jacob-B
it makes sense to me if you are a Catholic to focus on such a narrow doctrinal issue, if you are not, it seems like an odd choice. This forum is full of criticism of religion by non-believers from all sorts of directions. — T Clark
This forum is also full of illogical theorizing by religious thinkers. — god must be atheist
There are a lot more vocal atheists here than believers. The atheists also tend to be more rabid. Case in point - Gnostic Christian Bishop. — T Clark
If you want to find a rabid atheist, then look no further than me. — god must be atheist
And I don't know how many rabid atheists you've known, so this may sound new to you: in my opinion any serious talk about religion is an insult to intelligence. This is so because: No prediction has ever come true as written in religious texts; their content is getting more and more ridiculously childish by modern standards; the religious, instead of admitting the failure of their scriptures, try to smoothe over the self-contradictions and obviously wrong claims by "interpreting" the texts; and the entire body fo scriptures, that form the base of religions, is refutable, ridiculous (but not funny) and logically unsound and have been so since day one. — god must be atheist
Under this light, maybe you can understand our, the atheists', fervent attacks against ANYTHING that has to do with religions or with gods. — god must be atheist
A lot, and I mean a lot, of ill feelings and futile argumenting could be avoided this way. — god must be atheist
Thanks for highlighting what I wrote previously - I find that atheists are primarily responsible for whatever conflict there is. — T Clark
You're putting the carriage in front of the horse. According to you, as I understand, it is not the fault of stupid, outdated, unsubstantiated and improbable beliefs and their ensuing dogma that is the cause of stirfe and conflict, but the people who point out that the dogmas are borne from improbable beliefs, from stupid, outdated, and unsubstantiated claims. — god must be atheist
You realize that you have made a brilliant argument on the side of religion, the aim of which is to stop, stifle and squelch any progress, any creative and logical thought, to silence all those whose thinking can carry the world ahead, instead of keeping the masses steeped deep in ignorant dogma. — god must be atheist
One big myth about medicine: We know how drugs work - from The Washington Post — javra
To qualify for sainthood miracle has to occur to a person who prayed to the candidate for sainthood. — Jacob-B
Over hundreds of hours in the Vatican archives, I examined the files of more than 1,400 miracle investigations — at least one from every canonization between 1588 and 1999. A vast majority — 93 percent over all and 96 percent for the 20th century — were stories of recovery from illness or injury, detailing treatment and testimony from baffled physicians.
Perversely then, this ancient religious process, intended to celebrate exemplary lives, is hostage to the relativistic wisdom and temporal opinions of modern science. Physicians, as nonpartisan witnesses and unaligned third parties, are necessary to corroborate the claims of hopeful postulants. For that reason alone, illness stories top miracle claims. I never expected such reverse skepticism and emphasis on science within the church.
I see we have to subscribe. :rofl: — TheMadFool
I haven't found that to be true. There are a lot more vocal atheists here than believers. The atheists also tend to be more rabid. Case in point - Gnostic Christian Bishop. — T Clark
If you want to find a rabid atheist, then look no further than me. — god must be atheist
smart thing for people would be to post on segregated forums: atheists where no religious talk is allowed, and the religious, where no atheist talk is allowed. A lot, and I mean a lot, of ill feelings and futile argumenting could be avoided this way. — god must be atheist
my vote would be to evict the atheists. — T Clark
But this doesn't prevent one from being earnestly spiritual in something like a Naturalistic Pantheism way. Spinoza being a good example of this. Other similar approaches can also be found.
And I second god must be atheist's belief that @Gnostic Christian Bishop is not an atheist. — javra
that any trouble with religious issues is caused by people who are anti-religion. — T Clark
Rather selective in your views. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
You centered me out as one of the worst offenders, and you are correct, while ignoring that I am a religionist whom you have tried to label as an atheist. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
My avatar ------- what can I say. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
I thought you were just a fan of "The Lion King." — T Clark
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