This does not imply that the moral principles are fixed — JosephS
If we, sociologically/ethologically, can develop statistically valid predictions of which actions (and under what narrative) are likely to give rise to counter-action (social stigma, physical aggression), does this not deserve the label of 'objective'? — JosephS
But let's put that to the side and embrace your way of understanding the terms. "Objective" refers to mind-independent things? Is that what you're saying? — frank
The problem, note, is not that it is likely that rape is right. For clearly rape is wrong and there's not a shadow of a doubt about that. And that remains the case regardless of whether you agree with me that the disvaluer of rape is a subject or, well, whatever. — Bartricks
Sure, but it is nonetheless humans who program the machines, no? — Janus
Beliefs are subjective (what they are 'about' will often not be). — Bartricks
As normal, I don't really understand what you're saying or see its relevance. I have not denied that justified true beliefs exist, for instance, or that knowledge is made from them (although I think I might deny that, but I haven't done so here). — Bartricks
I know that virtually everyone else's says the same thing, for this apparent fact about moral values is widely acknowledged among those who have reflected on the matter - that is, those who have consulted their reason on it. — Bartricks
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