That there must be an event that is uncaused is reasoning that I think can only apply to linear models of the universe.
One alternative to this are the cyclical models of the universe. Here, there would be no uncaused events, for there would be an endless procession of Big Bangs followed by near ends of the universe that again result in Big Bangs, etc. ... this, again, without end or beginning. — javra
Not every event can have an event that causes it, for then we'll have an actual infinity of events and you can't have an actual infinity of anything. — Bartricks
As an aside, the unmoved mover of old time philosophies - i.e. the uncaused cause - can neither be a sentient being nor a thing: Sentience only occurs via the experience of perpetual change and, hence, movement; and things can only be in some form of process and, hence, movement. — javra
Your insistence that the uncaused causer cannot be a 'thing' is false. Certainly you've said nothing to support it. — Bartricks
If the cushion has always been indented, then it is not being indented, it simply is indented.The cushion is being indented. — Bartricks
No, not if I knew that the cushion had always been indented; then I would say, "Nothing caused the indent, it has always been that way."If we were to take the ball off the cushion, and someone asked us the cause of the indent on it, we would say "there was a ball on it" - yes? — Bartricks
How do you know that, if the ball was always on it? Maybe that is just the natural shape of the cushion, and the ball has nothing to do with it.There wouldn't be a dent there if the ball wasn't on it. — Bartricks
Yup, we speak in different lexicons. It seems far too different to have any meaningful conversation. — javra
The universe might exist supernaturally, beyond any sense of causation (or time). — 3017amen
Yo PoeticU, where you been brother, ha ! — 3017amen
But dynamic states through time — 3017amen
The being of God does not exclude but rather includes the being of the world" — 3017amen
Energy is not lost — 3017amen
Ok, our work is done here — 3017amen
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