Nothing that is important is self-evident. — Valentinus
Bartricks 2. Krishnamurti 0 — Bartricks
i have to assume that you meant "by an observer" to get a reasonable amount of coherency from this point. otherwise, there are too many objects within the scene. personally, this discussion needs more use of the word "epistomology"! but the play between objectivity and subjectivity does look like it has some merit.grasped from an observer that observes
Thoughts and observations welcome. — Wallows
It is self-evident - that is, evident to our reason - that thoughts, desires, observations and such like - require a mind to bear them. — Bartricks
The way I interpret that quote is that the observer and the observed are not two clearly separate things: the observer is always involved in the act of observation, he doesn't observe what the world is like independent of him, rather what he observes depends on him, how he feels and what he thinks and what he desires has an influence on what he sees, so in a sense what he observes about the world is a reflection of himself, and in that sense the observer is inseparable from what he observes. — leo
It isn't. One could very well define the mind as precisely the thoughts/desires/observations/... that are experienced, rather than as some separate thing that bears them. — leo
It isn't. One could very well define the mind as precisely the thoughts/desires/observations/... that are experienced, rather than as some separate thing that bears them. — leo
As to the quote "The observer is the observed", it can be read metaphorically rather than literally. Hopefully you do not dissect that way every metaphor you encounter, for instance if I talk of a white blanket of snow covering a field, you don't need to tell me that I talk nonsense because a blanket isn't made of snow and because what's covering the field isn't a blanket. — leo
If you start from the premise that an observer is a physical body in the world that you observe, you're not gonna understand him. You're an observer, your thoughts/feelings/perceptions are part of the observation, you can see them metaphorically as a window to yourself, or even as defining yourself. — leo
I mean, have you read anything of quality - have you read Plato? Have you read the Apology? — Bartricks
“Man has no individual i. But there are, instead, hundreds and thousands of separate small "i"s, very often entirely unknown to one another, never coming into contact, or, on the contrary, hostile to each other, mutually exclusive and incompatible. Each minute, each moment, man is saying or thinking, "i". And each time his i is different. just now it was a thought, now it is a desire, now a sensation, now another thought, and so on, endlessly. Man is a plurality. Man's name is legion.”
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