Agreed, sounds like stoner talk to me. Thats that thing that people do when they like something and so create a bunch of culture and ritual and bullshit about it. — DingoJones
The Rushkoff stuff you're quoting seems kind of hyperbolic, sensationalized, overwrought, flowery to me — Terrapin Station
Same story. Everywhere.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hero_with_a_Thousand_Faces — Rolf
it's a short step from Rushkoff's raised conscience to stoned unconscious. — TheMadFool
but to be able to take those steps oneself, rather than simply being shifted there and then falling back with a gap in between — Coben
The Rushkoff stuff you're quoting seems kind of hyperbolic, sensationalized, overwrought, flowery to me, — Terrapin Station
To me, he exhorts: although his essay is written as a description of the way that Cannabis works on a mature mind, I came to the conclusion that in reality, Rushkoff is being hortatory, telling us, "Use Cannabis in order to break free of the constraints of bourgeois/white privilege mentality; use it to see clearly what is really happening in the world, and stop pretending that your life style isn't part of the problem; use it first and foremost to know thyself better." — uncanni
Sounds preachy and kind of elitist or snobby to me.
I did read some of it, but it doesn't really appeal to me. — Terrapin Station
And I'm in no position to tell you that you shouldn't. I think in general, for most people, it functions as a short cut, and what is achieved by the drug, needs to be achieved by the person without the drug, to fully heal. But that's also in an ideal. We have jobs, and so much time, and limited or not relationships, nto enough time in nature, perhaps jobs that are not meaninful, stress.I use Cannabis primarily as medicinal: it has relieved depression and anxiety in me like no SSRI was ever able to do. — uncanni
I think in general, for most people, it functions as a short cut — Coben
I'm more on the side of freeing it up, radically, though carefully over time. — Coben
Hm. I don't really want to generalize. I think people want different things. I want to be free and I want my various parts to be integrated and welcome. I want to accept my emotions and urges and integrate them and to be expressive. Not everyone wants this. Buddhism is not really that kind of path. I don't want to say mine is right and theirs is wrong. I just don't want what Buddhism is doing. Some do. Good for them, do it. I don't think everyone has the same goal for how to live, nor to I think all paths lead to the same place. I briefly met the Dalai Llama and heard him speak. Not really inspiring for me.If I understand you correctly, that is how real change--referring to emotional/intellectual/spiritual or ethical--occurs for humans. — uncanni
Or cold hearted bastards. Or not quite there anymore. Or childlke, but in a good way. Or....Or......Many nod their heads affirmatively when I ask them if they know folks in their 60s who are still tantrum-throwing children. — uncanni
I'm not sure what you mean by "stoned unconscious," but that's not what Rushkoff is talking about at all. There are people who prefer that mode, who use Cannabis to melt into the couch and stop thinking altogether, but that's a different issue. Rushkoff's essay is descriptive of a very specific state of mind enhanced by Cannabis--a socially-conscious high is not like a couch-lock high — uncanni
I don't really want to generalize. — Coben
That will be the day when the cows come home. I have no statistics on the subjective experiences of Cannabis, but there are far too many variables among people for us to imagine that everyone can use it the same way or achieve the same experiences. We're just too (self-)destructive a species...Imagine cannabis, a plant, helping humans get along (socially conscious) and we have a harmonious society. — TheMadFool
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