I've never seen the scientific evidence for this, I hear it often but I'm sure it's a myth. — Hallucinogen
All that you'd need to do is look at people. — Terrapin Station
So look like each other = have similar genes? — Hallucinogen
I've never seen the scientific evidence for this, I hear it often but I'm sure it's a myth. — Hallucinogen
a group of people defined by how related they are to each other compared to other groups. And haplogroups exist, which means race exists. People within that haplogroup will have more in common with each other genetically than they do with anybody from a different haplogroup. — Hallucinogen
So minorities assume that the majority is thinking in terms of race, rather than how the OP is explaining that everyone should look at race. It racist to assume that a particular person thinks a certain way, or views others a certain way, simply based on the color of their skin.In many public and most professional situations if one is a racial minority - member of an out-group or caste - one doesn't have the luxury of "racial color-blindness" because a racial minority's daily prospects, even life, more often than not depend on vigilance - one quickly, correctly, seeing how 'race & color' are seen (i.e. signified) by some members of the racial majority e.g. white cops (US) - and thereby conducting oneself accordingly. — 180 Proof
How does someone come to assume what others think, or how they behave, because of the color of their skin? Most likely how someone was raised. If your folks were raised in a different time, then they're going to raise you as if there times are still relevant today. They aren't. We have, and are still trying to move past racism and the only way to do that is to stop dividing people and making assumptions about them based on the color of their skin. — Harry Hindu
Just as Germans tend to speak German despite there being no gene for speaking German and no distinct race of Germans. It is a wonder to me that seemingly educated folks hereabouts cannot get their heads around this. — unenlightened
That's not going to happen. Given [insert local history here] it simply is the case that people of ethnicity X are liable to be in danger from people of ethnicity Y in the places where people of ethnicity Y rule the roost and there is a history of conflict. This applies to honkeys in the South African townships, and blacks almost anywhere in the US or Europe. Only if you are of ethnicity Y that rules the roost can you afford to ignore the obvious facts of life on some theoretical principle.
One comes to assume these things because they are true, not because genes or skin colour make it true, but because social forces make it true. Just as Germans tend to speak German despite there being no gene for speaking German and no distinct race of Germans. It is a wonder to me that seemingly educated folks hereabouts cannot get their heads around this. — unenlightened
There are plenty of Germans (i.e., people of German descent) — Artemis
Because if those others start treating you just like any other nigga, you gonna freak out big time. — unenlightened
Because if those others start treating you just like any other nigga, you gonna freak out big time.
— unenlightened
Are you stereotyping all black people as ghetto gang-bangers now? H — Artemis
There's a NY Times piece on how Italian Americans became white. It's pretty good. — frank
Well there you have it. One begins with a nationality, and it becomes a race. Such is identity. But what, then does one make of 'American'? Some Americans are Germans that don't speak German? Some Americans are Africans? Are there some American Americans? If there are, they sure ain't white or black.
Some Americans speak English - some Americans are English. It would be nice to be able to say this is all nonsense, and it is all nonsense in the same way that the holocaust was nonsense - lethal nonsense. And that is my point against the op and his ilk. You can make the denial of race, but are you putting your life on the line? Because if you aren't then you are abusing your (white) privilege. Because if those others start treating you just like any other nigga, you gonna freak out big time.
It's here. — Isaac
There's a NY Times piece on how Italian Americans became white. It's pretty good. — frank
I think it's because we now have true equality of opportunity. — Hallucinogen
we now have true equality of opportunity. And under these circumstances, you get to see what people's TRUE differences in ability really are — Hallucinogen
I think it's because we now have true equality of opportunity. — Hallucinogen
I think it's because we now have true equality of opportunity.
— Hallucinogen
I can point you to a history book - THE COLOR OF LAW - that will show that we do not have, and have not had equality of opportunity. We need not go back as far as the 18th and 19th centuries and slavery. Let's go back to the 1930s.
IN the middle of the Great Depression, Roosevelt recognized that the availability and quality of housing in the US was poor. Of course, there were fine houses being built, but across the board, housing stock was deteriorating and was in short supply. In 1934 Congress created the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) which was charged with the task of promoting housing construction. One element of the law was that the FHA housing program was NOT TO RESULT IN INTEGRATED HOUSING. Blacks and whites would both be served, but not in the same places.
For white people there was an ambitious program of suburban community creation with tracts of new single-family housing located next to existing cities. For blacks, there was to be a large program of rental housing creation inside existing cities. Before these plans could be rolled out, WWII intervened. After WWII, the FHA program took off.
The quality of the housing was at least GOOD. The urban rental housing was sturdily built, and where they were maintained, FHA buildings remain in use and are in good shape. The suburban housing tracts were semi-manufactured, and were built very rapidly. Still, the quality was at least good. The houses were fairly small, and were situated on (usually) spacious lots. No city or suburban developer ever had difficulty finding urban renters or eager buyers. The housing was affordable but not "cheap".
Over time, the affordable suburban housing was improved by the owners. Rooms were added, landscaping was carried out, and services were upgraded. The value of the homes has, on average, continually appreciated. Some modest houses built in the 1950s now sell for $300,000 to $400,000.
The rental housing built in cities provided good housing, but renters do not accumulate equity. After 10 years of renting, a family is not better off in terms of equity than they were the day the moved in. Suburban families, however, stood to gain equity which they could either cash out, pass on to children, or keep by remaining in place. When they did cash out their property, they might enjoy a very large windfall that could be used for education, purchasing another house, or some other life enhancement.
Many cities had a weak commitment to maintaining the rental housing stock. If it was allowed to deteriorate, a downward spiral could--and often did--begin, which ended up with the rental housing turning into high-rise slums. Chicago had huge rental housing tracts built which were initially good, but ended up being altogether unlivable--owing to urban housing authority corruption and neglect.
The upshot of the FHA program is this:
After 40 years of official segregation, and 70 years of de facto segregation, suburban whites were much better off financially than they were immediately after WWII, and urban blacks were as bad off, or worse off, than they were in 1946.
Since education is organized along community boundaries, suburban communities have generally funded much better education than poorer cities. That's another way that opportunity is not equally distributed. Poor and poorly educated populations tend to have worse health outcomes than more affluent people. That's a third inequity of opportunity. — Bitter Crank
it reiterates that we can cluster people into meaningful groups, — Hallucinogen
characterising 377 microsatellites will give an underestimate of how different individuals/groups are from each other. This because it's not just the sequence of small areas that matters, but the areas around them and the distances between them as well — Hallucinogen
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