For Instance color blindness is not just practiced by white people, despite the claims of identity politicians. — NOS4A2
Since education is organized along community boundaries, suburban communities have generally funded much better education than poorer cities. That's another way that opportunity is not equally distributed. — Bitter Crank
Poor and poorly educated populations tend to have worse health outcomes than more affluent people. That's a third inequity of opportunity. — Bitter Crank
So largely, I view outcome as a function of ability, with very little difference in opportunity between people.
Here's a source for my claim that IQ and conscientiousness predict future earnings:
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-3200/5/1/3 — Hallucinogen
There's a NY Times piece on how Italian Americans became white. It's pretty good.
— frank
Could you let me know what it's called? What means does it use to prove that? — Hallucinogen
Clearly you don't understand what you wrote. To assume that others think or act a particular way based on the color of their skin is racist. That is what you proposed that the minorities should do - assume that all whites are racists - which is racist. It's "fighting" racism with racism. It seems that you are blind to your own racial discrimination against "whites".Clearly, you're responding to what you've read into what I wrote and not to what I wrote. — 180 Proof
You seem to be confusing blindness to race with blindness to race discrimination.In other words, how descendents of poor Euro-immigrants became American In-Groupies, thereby privileged enough to (eventually try to) blind themselves to still prevalent racial color-discrimination with kumbaya "racial color-blindness". — 180 Proof
That's not going to happen. Given [insert local history here] it simply is the case that people of ethnicity X are liable to be in danger from people of ethnicity Y in the places where people of ethnicity Y rule the roost and there is a history of conflict. This applies to honkeys in the South African townships, and blacks almost anywhere in the US or Europe. Only if you are of ethnicity Y that rules the roost can you afford to ignore the obvious facts of life on some theoretical principle.
One comes to assume these things because they are true, not because genes or skin colour make it true, but because social forces make it true. Just as Germans tend to speak German despite there being no gene for speaking German and no distinct race of Germans. It is a wonder to me that seemingly educated folks hereabouts cannot get their heads around this. — unenlightened
I don't agree (at all) with OP that diversity training is some kind of malevolent cancer of society or anything like that, but I do generally think that policies ought to treat people without regard for race, and that that doesn't mean denying the history of racial injustice.
So when one speaks of white privilege it is not an inherent property of whiteness, but a property of power.
For the reasons you outlined, I have started to question the validity of an "equality of opportunity". Increasingly, it seems to me that "equality of opportunity, not of outcome" has become a kind of mantra, a signal more than an actual policy decision.
Equality is a value judgement, whereby we compare different states and decide whether or not these states are sufficiently similar in their characteristics to warrant being treated in the same way. In that sense, there is no way to establish equality of opportunity, because opportunity is not a state of affairs - it's another judgement.
So what we are actually doing when we assess "equality of opportunity" is looking at outcomes - just not at actual outcomes, but of predicted outcomes. I don't see how we could arrive at a judgement of "equality of opportunity" that wouldn't include a judgement on the equality of outcomes.
Studies (from the UK at least) show that education funding has very little effect on pupil's academic attainment and life outcomes. — Hallucinogen
And what's the evidence that bad health outcome is mediated by low education or poverty?
I can simply claim that people who have the personality factors that cause them to be in poverty are the same ones that cause them to be uneducated and make bad decisions for their health. — Hallucinogen
And the picture looks even better when you start looking at which people in particular succeed and which personality traits they have that predict future success. — Hallucinogen
There isn't anything here that proves that opportunity isn't roughly the same for all people in America today. — Hallucinogen
Do you prefer judging people — NOS4A2
That's a fairly shitty question. I'd prefer to conduct a detailed interview following a written application, and then follow up the references. But when I'm walking down the street at 1.30 am on a Saturday night, I don't have that luxury. And that's why people who look intimidating tend to get shot by cops. They're not trying to be prejudiced, they don't prefer to be, they just are.
illustrious biological lineages — Hallucinogen
people from illustrious biological lineages who fall into poverty — Hallucinogen
Clearly, you're responding to what you've read into what I wrote and not to what I wrote.
— 180 Proof
Clearly you don't understand what you wrote. To assume that others think or act a particular way based on the color of their skin is racist. That is what you proposed that the minorities should do - assume that all whites are racists - which is racist. It's "fighting" racism with racism. It seems that you are blind to your own racial discrimination against "whites". — Harry Hindu
What was Peter's biggest asset (besides good looks and a big dick, which he reportedly had)? It was income from a hundred million dollar trust fund. Plus, it was the years at "public school" (AKA private schools) such as Eton and Oxford. — Bitter Crank
The information I've linked to outright refutes this. — Hallucinogen
I shouldn't have to point out to philosophers that that doesn't mean it causes it. What causes it is the genetic advantage of the parents wealthy enough to send their kids to an exclusive school. — Hallucinogen
Where? I've already asked you for the information you're referring to proving that social factors don't have a causal relationship with wealth. All you've provided is evidence that IQ does have a correlation, not that other factors don't. — Isaac
In fact the very report you cited said, quite specifically, that sex at birth was also correlated. — Isaac
The report you cite only demonstrates a correlation. You can't claim correlation is causation when it suits your argument and that it isn't when it doesn't. — Isaac
I was merely asking if race factors into your own judgement, and if not, why should it factor into the judgement of others? — NOS4A2
Yet then it basically isn't talked as "(put the racial/ethnic term here) priviledge". And that wouldn't have the same connotations. In fact it's really stupid to take this term "white priviledge" out of the US context and generalize it to everywhere.So when one speaks of white privilege it is not an inherent property of whiteness, but a property of power. — unenlightened
When I see 180 Proof walking down the street, I'm watching to see if he pulls out a weapon. And he knows my white fear, and he's watching me the same way. Until maybe we say hi, and then since we are both liberal to a degree, he might let me move in next door or marry his daughter. — unenlightened
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