Descriptions of what it's like are analogies. — Janus
It's a way of saying that there's an experiential quality, or a quale, with respect to something. — Terrapin Station
One would like to say ‘I see red thus’, ‘I hear the note that you strike thus’, ‘I feel sorrow thus’, or even ‘This is what one feels like when one is sad, this when one is glad’, etc. One would like to people a world, analogous to the physical one, with these thuses and thises. But this makes sense only where there is a
picture of what is experienced, to which one can point as one makes these statements — Wittgenstein, Remarks on the Philosophy of Psychology
And yet you fully understand what a p-zombie is. — frank
You can understand a stipulation without believing in it. — fdrake
don't think everyone agrees with every conclusion people draw from that under every interpretation of how they work ( — fdrake
So you understand it too? I'm not sure what the previous grief was about, but good. — frank
reduction — frank
Aight. Rather than hearing you being supportive and critical at the same time. I heard "I agree with you, by the way what I perceive as your worldview is wrong - here are some flaws I will not gesture to here", it seemed like a very mixed message. — fdrake
And yet you fully understand what a p-zombie is. — frank
Put down the pretense of confusion. — frank
. . . the latter of which isn't necessarily an analogy. (Not that I'm agreeing with the dichotomy you're specifying . . .after all, there's not even any communication requirement for qualia.)Yes, but the point is that it doesn't really say anything at all without either analogy or attitudinal report — Isaac
the latter of which isn't necessarily an analogy. — Terrapin Station
I mean precisely that there is no external, intersubjective “thus” to point at in the sentences Wittgenstein talks about; the things we’d like to point to to say “it’s like this” are internal, subjective states, and the only way to communicate what it’s like to be in that state to someone is to put them into that state, or invite them to enter into it themselves. — Pfhorrest
Descriptions of what it's like are analogies. — Janus
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"What it's like" in this sense/context isn't supposed to refer to analogies. It's a way of saying that there's an experiential quality, or a quale, with respect to something. — Terrapin Station
The experience of seeing red isn’t something separate from the seeing of some red, it’s just the specific experience that is the seeing of some red. — Pfhorrest
You can’t tell someone what seeing red is like, in a non-analogical sense of that phrase that just means to describe it to them; they just have to see it themselves. — Pfhorrest
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