Yeah. As usual with Bartricks's types of argument, they're based on one massive flaw, and this is it. The Problem of Evil is a question of why God brought Evil into the world - any amount of evil at all. The problem of deciding to procreate is one of whether there is too much evil in the world to outweigh the good. — Isaac
I ask myself if I would give up all of the extraordinary pleasures of being alive to be free from all the agony and pain life brings...
I would have to say, I'm not sorry I was born. Life is frequently a struggle, sometimes quite painful. But the exquisite joys of: a praying mantis on my pitcher plant, love, music, the joys of being in the body, achievement, learning, helping others, and vaping Cannabis--all of it makes the suffering of being human worthwhile. I choose to live. — uncanni
The best reason I can think of for not having children right now is global warming. — uncanni
:up:Antinatalists are against beginning lives; they are not thereby against continuing lives that are already underway. — Bartricks
The reason I would advocate for humans in general to keep procreating even if life sucked for everyone right now is the same reason I advocate that individuals having hard times don't just kill themselves and end the suffering now: because it can get better. I have hopes that humanity can create a future world that is not so full of suffering as this one always has been, and in order for that to be worth doing, someone needs to be alive in the future in order to enjoy it. — Pfhorrest
No, he wants to kill all the children in the world and he’s trying to build his court case for why he’s not evil and that he’s just an angel of death helping us all find peace in true serial killer fashion. Bartrick you’re genuinely scary. I hope you don’t work with kids ever in your life.You don't make it clear perhaps, but I re-read your OP and now I take it that you are rejecting the problem of evil in order to defend some kind of theism?
No, he wants to kill all the children in the world and he’s trying to build his court case for why he’s not evil and that he’s just an angel of death helping us all find peace in true serial killer fashion. Bartrick you’re genuinely scary. I hope you don’t work with kids ever in your life. — Mark Dennis
As a Christian Existentialist, I don't know what an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent Being means, so I can't comment on that. — 3017amen
With procreation comes responsibility. — 3017amen
n the OT Ecclesiastes we have that existential angst you describe — 3017amen
Yeah, project all you like. — Mark Dennis
You are the epitome of evil and an Antinatalist evangelical who really should just be removed from the site. — Mark Dennis
Why? Because an earthquake isn't bad until it starts maiming and killing people, yes? An eruption isn't bad until the larva starts burning people alive, yes? Viruses aren't bad until they make people ill. Innocent, sentient life. — Bartricks
So perhaps we should consider whether if there were a diety, that it is characterized by insecurity, jealousy, ambition. greed, and all the other vices. And created humans in its own image. — uncanni
The problem of evil implies God does not exist. — Bartricks
Hm, I am not sure I understand that. I mean, surely you have to have some idea about what you believe in, otherwise you don't really qualify as believing it? — Bartricks
And I wanted to briefly share my response to that statement you made above. Quite simply, I don't dichotomize and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Does that make sense? — 3017amen
The PoE, however, doesn't imply that procreators do not exist, so I don't see how it's relevant. — 180 Proof
Rather it implies their immorality (if and when those who procreate knew what they were doing and were free to do it). — Bartricks
And so that's the conclusion I draw - I don't conclude that human procreators do not exist, I conclude that they are immoral. — Bartricks
My point is just that despite our lives being worth living it remains the case that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god would not have created a world like this one and made innocent sentient creatures live in it, other things being equal. — Bartricks
Not to me, because you can't really believe in God if there's no content to your belief. It can be out of focus to some degree, but it can't not be there at all. — Bartricks
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