Who's complaining about his pronouns now? I thought you were against that kind of thing. — Pfhorrest
(You know I'm just taking the piss out of you for fun and don't actually give a damn, right?) — Pfhorrest
I think my gist may come from my experience with people that take high-doses of red-pill(s) have a high susceptibility to get dogmatic — Swan
Some fall into reckless ideologies - or start falling back into a religious state of mind. Take the scientism crowd for instance - I do not think red pills should become fetishistic placebos for (few joys) we happen to have in life. Moderation in all. Some red-pillers are often unskilled with managing their psychological health in accordance because they think that 'red pills' hold explanatory answers (that MUST be it, 42). — Swan
I like to think that I handle 'the voices' well, but too much of anything results in overexposure and high-sensitivity if I do not let myself desensitize in some fashion, because then you just get low-receptive people calling the dogmatics idiots (when they may or may not even be wrong). — Swan
I know what you mean. The pill metaphor breaks down. As I see it, it's just human to crave authority. And it seems to me that we all believe in something, however vague, and act and talk from that. — jellyfish
I totally agree. The red pill is one more blue pill. All of the pills are blue pills, in a certain sense. As I see it, we use words to orient ourselves in existence. I also agree about scientism, rationalism, just about any -ism. And my own whatever-ism. — jellyfish
Indeed. And sometimes it gets too mean for my taste. And even the positive stress (when real conversation happens) reminds me of nicotine. The world today is just so crowded, noisy, and pluralistic that I need TV, nicotine, news, books. It's like treating over-stimulation with over-stimulation. I think about moving to someplace outside the city. I have envied janitors who work alone at night. Hard to know if it's an idle fantasy. — jellyfish
Would you say all 'beliefs' have a potentiality to be dangerous in some degree then..? If humans are highly susceptible to crave authority. — Swan
That is a very interesting take. I was thinking something similar, that the red pill is nothing but a red capsule with blue gel inside. — Swan
Perhaps the blue pill (really does) just kill us all in the end. Human(s) attempting to escape all things human - the blue goo and desire to consume it may be inescapable - for some (red pill poppers) just turn into addicts - addicted to the blue goo - the bold red seductively attracts, void of answers, but it is the blue substance inside that ends us all. — Swan
I am not much of a country gal, but wish sometimes my family owned a farm out in the country, even if comes to something as simple as milking a cow. It would be a nice escape to be on a farm for a bit. — Swan
I too can get overwhelmed with a lot of the chaos. Often, I need long periods of complete silence, and keep the radio off during my work commutes. If I can't have good music, or listen to a lecture of some sort, I'd prefer complete silence. — Swan
Often, I need long periods of complete silence, and keep the radio off during my work commutes. If I can't have good music, or listen to a lecture of some sort, I'd prefer complete silence. — Swan
... the god who only exists as the negation of others gods — jellyfish
Update: Thinking I had philosophized my way to happiness turned out to be wrong. — Pfhorrest
To me the typical blue pills are connected to the relaxed warmth of group membership. Red pill types are blessed/cursed with the creative genius as their ideal --and are maybe just antagonist personalities who enjoy disagreeing, finding faults and holes in the systems of others. Corrosive reason, the demon in the machine, the god who only exists as the negation of others gods. — jellyfish
Likewise. As I get older I more and more prefer silence (of either an anechoic place/headphones or remote wilderness) even to my favorite jazz or blues. A touch of misophonia maybe plays a role; but it's prolonged quiet that stills me deep down. So I can listen to myself think. — 180 Proof
Actually, I typed a long response, but I just removed it. I don't want to make this a sob fest. — Swan
I am addicted to the red pill. I like deep conversations. IRL, I am 'that friend.' My idea of a good time is sharing a pot of coffee (black, of course) and walking around for 3 hours talking about all the stuff that 'one' doesn't talk about in mixed company. — jellyfish
@SwanI need moderation in EVERYTHING too many "truths" I do not handle well in large doses, I need a balance of alternative perspectives and constant discussion - not just 'swallowing pills' to be swallowing - I need examination, and stretching... maybe that is what philosophy is - although I don't think philosophy is necessarily swallowing a red pill (e.g. accepting all things/whatever as true), but the preference to examining various 'red' and 'blue' pills & compare/contrast - examine - and pose necessary (healthy) clashes between on another... So say, if someone offered me a 'philosophy red pill' it is unlikely I would take it before cutting it open and examining the contents, lowering it's potency, then taking the inner goo as it comes.
Doing excessive pill swallowing of anything is bad for my mental health. Philosophy, logic I need moderation, because yes both can induce stress to some degree if I don't take breaks. Math follows similar. But at the same time, I can't imagine it's good for my 'head' health when I do more than 2 hours of it, because I start developing headaches (LOL). I can't say I know ANYONE that is substantially mentally healthy under the age of 30 that does nothing but take red pills - so I think psychology must be considered along side philosophy - especially for newbies and the younger generation (or for anyone..) that are not skilled in handling such truths and managing copes.
I will say this, Ethics greatly improves my mental health and makes me feel wonderful. My favorite branch of philosophy is ethics, if I had to name anything, for this reason.
I study law, and I love the ethics and theatrical portion. I love Nussbaum's take on Philosophy and Law for that reason. Yes, because WITHOUT this consideration law can cause great depression in all things really, and brain melt when you so detached and not attending to your emotional health - without moderation anything has the tendency to depress you very quickly unless you practice stoicism and such. I do not practice stoicism in any degree, so you can imagine shit effects me in many ways.
I will say this, talking/discussing philosophy with others I find very stressful. I find this forum stressful as hell. Half of it is just folks throwing bad medicine laced with nonsense and cheap red paint at others, that NO ONE is opening their mouth OR minds for.
↪180 Proof
I guess we've just missed one another so far in this too-wide world. I think I'd recognize a fellow monological walker. These days I'm walking the lonely-lovely streets at 4AM. I have the cityscape to myself, not counting the headlights on the interstate above my head and the coyote who lives in an ex-junkyard nearby. That coyote is my brother or sister. — jellyfish
Hey, I am happy to read it. Or send me a PM. I am addicted to the red pill. I like deep conversations. IRL, I am 'that friend.' My idea of a good time is sharing a pot of coffee (black, of course) and walking around for 3 hours talking about all the stuff that 'one' doesn't talk about in mixed company. . — jellyfish
...I found myself spiraling into a panic attack about pointless cosmic bullshit... — Pfhorrest
Thanks. I am very much a tea drinker (or just plain water - boring, I know). — Swan
Your posts are extremely refreshing (usually I have a tendency to overwhelm) with my long-winded rambles (it doesn't help I love to write - so I can get VERY long-winded), and just end up boring people off - I get like that usually all hours after midnight, to which I could use an ear to ramble into. My friends (or more so 'associates') either fall asleep or haven't much to add. — Swan
when other's go around indirectly claiming this form of faux-humility (which is really just faux low-self esteem self-depreciation posts glossed up to look noble)
attempting to lower the confidence that other's may have; and pseudo-diagnosing people with emotional problems while claiming to have some transcendent upperhand on self-reflection/critical self-analysis, and etc.
That to me, is the nature of philosophy. Conflict. So conflict-avoidant people (shining their superior passivity), attempting to intervene and silence different communication styles that hold more conviction than yours makes little sense to me. But sure, let's call people that speak with conviction "aggressive," "rude" etc, etc. THESE types of silencing tactics do not work on me. Save your bullshit, honestly. As someone that's taken various speech classes and has been said to have a naturally commanding tone, I find these posts about silencing diverse communication styles to be just nonsensical.
It is just a pet-peeve of mine when other's go around indirectly claiming this form of faux-humility
Oh I see, so when you command things and others don’t listen your ego gets bruised and you call them insecure for not recognising your true place as leader of all? Right then. Maybe you should read my intellectual honesty post again and take some notes. Unfortunately though I’m not so weak willed that I bow to trumpism.As someone that's taken various speech classes and has been said to have a naturally commanding tone, I find these posts about silencing diverse communication styles to be just nonsensical.
What is there to be afraid of when it comes to 'cosmic stuff'? I'm sorry if you've already been asked this, I haven't read through the entire thread. — creativesoul
The immense difficulty most people face in living a life of enjoyment rather than suffering, much less bringing others, never mind the rest of humanity, never mind all sentient beings on Earth, and possibly elsewhere, along for the ride. The apparent inevitability of death bringing even a good, enjoyable life to a premature end, where any end at all to such enjoyment would be premature. The threat of any projects and organizations, whole civilizations, maybe even one's entire species coming to an end, and so any good one might have done before death, any legacy left behind that maybe made even a hard and short life count toward some greater good that outlasted it, still being lost to time. The threat of the entire planet being destroyed by the natural aging of the sun, should any legacy of anyone or anything that exists now even manage to survive until then. And even if we manage to cure all of life's ills for everyone, even stopping death by aging, and survive all the threats to civilization and the planet itself by becoming a technologically advanced starfaring civilization, there is still the threat of the entire universe itself winding down to uniform lukewarm nothingness over cosmological timescales, as all available energy sources are used up, life of any kind becomes impossible, and all signs that any life ever existed are lost forever, not that anyone could be around afterward to appreciate them anyway. — The Codex Quaerendae: On Practical Action and the Meaning of Life
Did you once believe in the God of Abraham? — creativesoul
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