Every time an employer hires a person because they are black. I'm a current participant in the job market. — Harry Hindu
Here is a fairly detailed review with excerpts so people don't necessarily need to read it to get the gist:I'm rereading When Colorblindness Isn't The Answer by Anthony B. Pinn at the moment, which takes a decidely different approach to the racial colorblindness issue than I've taken in the discussion so far. I drop this book here during a lull in case anyone - no need to name names - needing to read it does so. — 180 Proof
Was the white guy hired because he was white? — Pfhorrest
I'm rereading When Colorblindness Isn't The Answer by Anthony B. Pinn at the moment, which takes a decidely different approach to the racial colorblindness issue than I've taken in the discussion so far. I drop this book here during a lull in case anyone - no need to name names - needing to read it does so. — 180 Proof
Humanism isn't as appealing to people (regardless of race) and theology is precisely because it make you feel more special than you really are. Humanism brings us all back to the same equal level."Why hasn’t humanism proven a more compelling alternative to theism for African Americans, American Indians, Latino/as, and so on? And, what might humanism do—on the level of community formation and the ritualizing of mundane life—to make it more appealing and more competitive with theistic organizations?" — Anthony Pinn
Are you saying that all black people don't want any whites to ever be hired? Isn't that racist to put all black people into the same box, as if they all think the same because they have the same skin color?Hahhaha. Imagine how black people feel every time a white person is hired. — ZhouBoTong
Isn't this saying that we shouldn't hold black men and boys to the same ethical standard that we are trying to hold police too? We don't hold sharks and lions to the same ethical standard as human beings either, so does this imply that blacks aren't equally human? Statements like this and the previous one would offend me if I was a black man (I'm actually offended as a human being that other human beings talk like this). Is it a "human thing" or a "white thing" to have prejudices and biases and should we have equal expectations of all humans, regardless of race, when it comes to restraining your biases and prejudices?Police may be more prone to shooting black men and boys, compared to whites of the same, because of the perceived degree of threat that police officers have of black men and boys, and not because the officers are racist. It would be responsible for police officers to be aware of their biases and deal with them as best they can. — praxis
Are you saying that all black people don't want any whites to ever be hired? Isn't that racist to put all black people into the same box, as if they all think the same because they have the same skin color? — Harry Hindu
Are you saying that all black people don't want any whites to ever be hired? — Harry Hindu
Nope. Just saying that FAR more black people have been NOT HIRED because they are black for the last 50 years than those who were hired to fill diversity quotas (and obviously it was WAY worse before the civil rights movement). — ZhouBoTong
Police may be more prone to shooting black men and boys, compared to whites of the same, because of the perceived degree of threat that police officers have of black men and boys, and not because the officers are racist. It would be responsible for police officers to be aware of their biases and deal with them as best they can.
— praxis
Statements like this and the previous one would offend me if I was a black man (I'm actually offended as a human being that other human beings talk like this). — Harry Hindu
Is the American judicial system colorblind?
You may not have noticed but if you point out the reality of racism in any form, Harry Hindu will find a way to accuse you of racism. It's his one game here and he never ever gets tired of it. — Baden
The usa's foundational fictions deny the supreme importance of genocide and slavery in forging this great democracy, — uncanni
social institutions are permeated with white supremacy. You just have to come out of denial. — uncanni
I hear about the subtle and not so subtle operations of white supremacy every day, and I see their effects on my students. This is no democracy; there is no equality. — uncanni
How does the future look from your perspective? Am I overly optimistic in my hopes that things will be improving as more liberal (accurate?) understandings of history become the norm in school classrooms? Is it just a privilege to have the time to worry about the distant future? — ZhouBoTong
Fdrake made a similar argument. I asked him to define "prejudice" and never answered the question. So, I ask you: define "racism/prejudice/bias". If it walks, talks and acts like a duck, it's a duck.You may not have noticed, but if you point out the reality of racism in any form, Harry Hindu will find a way to accuse you of racism. It's his one game here and he never ever gets tired of it. — Baden
As a Libertarian, I'm against any war, or laws on drugs.I'm talking about putting effort into being aware of our subconscious biases and dealing with them responsibly.
Any subconscious biases that black and brown people have against the police and judicial system may be wellfounded. In The New Jim Crow, Michelle Alexander argues that the mass incarceration of black and brown people in the United States that started with the 'war on drug' has stripped away their civil rights to a point comparable to the era of Jim Crow ("the more things change, the more they stay the same").
Mass incarceration due to the "war on drugs."
Note that many studies show that there's no substantial difference in the rate that white people consume and sell drugs compared to that of black and brown people.
Is the American judicial system colorblind? — praxis
uh, so a claim without any proof isn't contestable? MMMMkaaaaaaay..................Nope. Just saying that FAR more black people have been NOT HIRED because they are black for the last 50 years than those who were hired to fill diversity quotas (and obviously it was WAY worse before the civil rights movement). This does not seem all that contestable to me, but if you require absolute proof, I can't do that...but I also cannot prove that the sun will rise tomorrow despite having a lot of information suggesting that it will. — ZhouBoTong
... define "racism/prejudice/bias". — Harry Hindu
You keep saying this and I keep responding with requests for you to point to the Business or business practice and State, Church (remember when I asked you why blacks embrace a white, European concept like Christianity if white systems and concepts are racist, and you didn't respond?), and policies that are racist, and you don't respond.Racism. This is prejudice instituted (i.e. made normative) and executed by Business Practices in tandem with State (and/or Church) Policies. — 180 Proof
What is the difference between something that is socialized and something that is instituted? You still haven't made a clear distinction between what is prejudice and what is racist.Prejudice. This is socialized (or experientially conditioned) self-serving bias against members of (designated or not - ethnic/color, class, gender/sexuality, sectarian, etc) out-groups. — 180 Proof
An involuntary blindness to complexity? How do you expect to change the ideas of someone who has involuntary blindness? How do you expect to change their minds? I thought the first two definitions were whack, but this one takes the cake. This definition seems to say that no one could ever be aware of and therefore mitigate their biases.Bias. This is involuntary (though not intractably incorrigible) reflex of perception/cognition-blindness to complexity or to one's own perplexity. — 180 Proof
How do you expect to change the ideas of someone who has involuntary blindness? How do you expect to change their minds? I thought the first two definitions were whack, but this one takes the cake. This definition seems to say that no one could ever be aware of and therefore mitigate their biases. — Harry Hindu
Involuntary doesn't mean imperceptible, and the definition explicitly stated that biases are "not intractably incorrigible."
We can influence our negative biases by providing positive experiences that counteract them, simply. This can be done deliberately or unintentionally to ourselves and others. Of course, it can also occur by chance. For an example in popular culture, I saw a movie last night that appeared to be trying to counteract the negative image that the Trump administration is painting of South American immigrants. In the new Terminator movie [spoiler altert], it's an illegal border crossing Mexican woman who turns out to be the savior of humanity. If Trump made the movie, the hero would be a blond-haired white dude and all the killer robots would be Mexican. See how that works?
The wheels of history grind slowly — uncanni
I'm in SC, one of the most backasswards southern states; — uncanni
because it's a catch-22 to expect middle class values, understanding and behavior from the latter group. — uncanni
students from the underclass tend to come from so much familial trauma, all the pernicious effects of either inner city or rural southern poverty and lousy k-12 education, that sometimes I'm afraid that I can't help them at all: their defenses and modes of behavior are too set. — uncanni
One does the best one can. — uncanni
What I call the Obama backlash — uncanni
I l taught for 18 years in TX--the scariest and most provincial place I've ever lived. — uncanni
uh, so a claim without any proof isn't contestable? MMMMkaaaaaaay.................. — Harry Hindu
My life has been too easy, so I can only feel bad...there is almost no way I can relate. — ZhouBoTong
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