To me if you are framing it as about people having intrinsic value then you are talking about the merits/demerits of that life, where as Im curious about what value life is supposed to have absent those specific things that are encompassed by personhood. — DingoJones
The basic idea of the golden rule is pretty useful, yes. — DingoJones
Yes, I would agree life is important but I would still base it on the merits of that life. The import of a life correlates directly with the important things dine with that life. — DingoJones
What about the cases where it actually is the case they have no value (to people/society in general)? Do you think that life has something above and beyond the contents of that life? — DingoJones
Well Antinatalism is about an individuals value assessment and I am trying to frame this at a societal level.
Also, I do not agree that Antinatalism is correct or even coherent. — DingoJones
What about in the case of life in prison, do you think we should spend the resources to lock the worst of us up in a cage untill they die of natural causes? — DingoJones
It was more the context of something like someone braindead but kept alive by medical technology. — DingoJones
Ok, so how does that inform your views? If life has no intrinsic value, what are your thoughts about suicide, or imprisoning the Mansons or Hitlers of the world rather than just killing them? — DingoJones
Do you think that people on death row would choose death over death row? If not, then doesnt that pretty clearly show which is the worse punishment? Why would people routinely choose the more torturous option? (Death row, according to you) — DingoJones
Anyway, so you don’t think life has intrinsic value but because you think personhood has intrinsic value then human life has intrinsic value because personhood is intrinsic to human life? (Excepting cases like being braindead where personhood has gone away)
Is that right? — DingoJones
Well the value of life wouldn't be strictly speaking intrinsic. But the distinction is fairly minute in most practical circumstances, unless we go beyond biological life. — Echarmion
That's not really how the human psyche works. People can be extremely miserable and still also afraid to die. I don't think there is a good justification for inflicting that extra pain. — Echarmion
Im asking about choosing between death and death row. You implied that death row was the worse punishment, did I misunderstand what you meant? — DingoJones
I wouldnt say so, no. That is only one type of life you are talking about, there is other life that doesn't have that appreciation as you yourself stated and therefore life itself cannot have this intrinsic value. — DingoJones
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