Now the reason why I can't be for Putin is that he wants to subjugate Europe. — Agustino
I want Europe to become a regional superpower. Europe must live up to its great heritage, — Agustino
The simple reason that that's what anyone would do if they were in his place. Russia would be the boss, and Europe would be the second-class partner. And we would be second class partner because we have WEAK leadership. We need our own Putin.What evidence do you have that Putin wants to subjugate Europe? — tom
I agree.As Putin said, "A nation that cannot protect its own children has no future." — tom
I remember my father giving me propaganda booklets made by the KGB when coming back from a trip from the Soviet Union. — ssu
Yet with supporting clandestinely Trump, giving loans to the French National Front and having connections to far-right and anti-immigration / anti-EU parties, Russia now has hit a populist streak that likely it didn't think would be possible. — ssu
So? How is it of any help that you have such a large military when you have to cross the god-damn ocean? Nobody would bother to attack the US. That's not the question here. Russia would obviously not attack the US on US territories - that would be crazy. And the same holds true the other way around - the US wouldn't dare attack Russia on Russian territory - because they would cripple themselves. — Agustino
Naturally the US uses scare tactics too. The red scare is quite comparable to the scare of "Radical Muslim extremists" we have now... even if the danger is now nothing comparable to WW3 of the Cold War era. McCarthyism went too far, but that doesn't actually mean it was a totally fabricated scare with absolutely no reason at all. Americans just have a habit to take any threat and blow it out of all proportions to get the people to support a cause.What was wrong about US propaganda was its depiction of the Soviet Union as a hive-like society that would eventually far outstrip the US in productivity and wealth. — Mongrel
And that "buffer zone" is the problem as it makes Russia quite aggressive in reality. It does seek dominance over these countries, just like the Soviet Union. Just ask yourself, why is then it acceptable for Russians to seek a "buffer zone" against a new Napoleon/Hitler coming from the West, that basically isn't coming? In reality it's Putin himself needs an enemy, the evil American elite lead globalists, to give a reason for his police state. He needs it, because otherwise the Russian would be against his cleptocratic rule.Eastern Europe couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag and the only thing the Russians care about is themselves and using Eastern Europe as a buffer zone between them and the next Adolf Hitler or Genghis Khan. — wuliheron
And that "buffer zone" is the problem as it makes Russia quite aggressive in reality. It does seek dominance over these countries, just like the Soviet Union. Just ask yourself, why is then it acceptable for Russians to seek a "buffer zone" against a new Napoleon/Hitler coming from the West, that basically isn't coming? In reality it's Putin himself needs an enemy, the evil American elite lead globalists, to give a reason for his police state. He needs it, because otherwise the Russian would be against his cleptocratic rule. — ssu
UKIP hasn't made it books public where it has gotten money, just like well, Trump hasn't given his tax records. Yet here it should be noticed that parties like UKIP or the National Front aren't parties invented by Moscow and directly lead by Moscow as the historical Komintern. Still, obviously there is a link. When a politician praises a dictator like Putin, there usually is a reason... like money.Isn't this just a baseless smear from the DNC playbook. The lie about Putin funding UKIP is in the hands of lawyers in US. — tom
Hahahaha! That's why Obama talks like a kitten to all world leaders and went on an apology tour. That's why Obama has been allowing the Russians to take Ukraine and install their support for the Assad regime. Remember the line in the sand? >:OEither Russia learns how to play nice and accepts their role in the empire or they will get nowhere and, if necessary, we will invade because the money has taken on a life of its own. Within twenty years commercial fishing will no longer be possible because there won't be enough wild fish in the oceans, within fifty every wild land animal larger than a dog will either be extinct or only exist in zoos. If you think sanity has anything to do with international politics and money think again. Russia is large enough it may survive what is coming, but the idea of them being able to do more than give the US a hard time in places like Syria is ludicrous. — wuliheron
Actually Russians are far more like Americans. They absolutely distrust their government. Yet as there hasn't been a democracy and above all, no justice state, people have a quite "realpolitik" attitude about politics. And the fear of the state is still there in the closet. And of course there's the "uninformed rabble" that is totally pro-Putin and goes along with the state propaganda: they will carry his picture after Putin has died just as they carry around Stalin's picture.Russians support strong men dictators like Putin precisely because that is what their situation requires — wuliheron
Actually it's not about territories, it's about influence. It's about getting East European NATO members to be subjected to Finlandization, to fall under the influence of Russia in agree with policy issues that Russia upholds, and hence make NATO not to work. And perhaps that NATO goes to the dustbin of SEATO and CENTO before it.but its simply not in the US interest to allow them to take those territories without paying the price. Either they learn how to play ball with the US or we'll prevent them from protecting themselves. They know it, we know it, and Putin can threaten nuclear war all he wants and we'll just invade Russia. We've been cussed out more vicious dictators before. — wuliheron
Why? This is only condescending if you presuppose that not having a strong man is better than having one. I think that's false. I think great nations have always been ruled by strong men, and will always be ruled thusly. Though it is true that there have also been many despicable strong men.I find it quite condescending to say that some nation that has given so much in culture (and science too) needs a strong man, a dictator. The argument that "some countries need strong men" is in the end quite condescending towards the people. — ssu
"Strong men" in my view means rulers that don't care about the rule of law, human rights or basic norms. Strong men kill their opponents and use fear as a way to rule. Now the countries don't have to be total police states, but there is the feeling that laws basically don't matter, men do.Why? This is only condescending if you presuppose that not having a strong man is better than having one. I think that's false. I think great nations have always been ruled by strong men, and will always be ruled thusly. — Agustino
A very interesting video. Though I presume it was done in the 1980's and hence is a bit too alarmist, it very well shows the World view of a KGB insider. And let's remember that the KGB people do rule Russia.I actually think it's more to do with the constant subversion Russia has been mounting against the U.S and its allies. I don't know if you've seen this; but, it's summarized neatly by a former KGB agent. Add the recent advent of the internet (and that I consider Russia as a dominant supplier of subversion tactics via it) and their task reaches more people than ever before. — Question
Does anybody actually believe this crap? USA can't even quell a tiny enclave of religious fanatics in the Middle East. Russia occupies 1/8 of the world's total land mass! — Barry Etheridge
Hahahaha! That's why Obama talks like a kitten to all world leaders and went on an apology tour. That's why Obama has been allowing the Russians to take Ukraine and install their support for the Assad regime. Remember the line in the sand? — Agustino
I find it quite condescending to say that some nation that has given so much in culture (and science too) needs a strong man, a dictator. The argument that "some countries need strong men" is in the end quite condescending towards the people. — ssu
China and Russia come along far better than the US and China. Even if there is Siberia and the Chinese moving there, still...Timing is everything and in international politics my enemy's enemy is my best friend, but Russia is nobody's friend and everyone's enemy. — wuliheron
???You might as well compare Malaysia to the US as compare Russia because its another marriage of convenience made at the point of a shotgun. Hell, even with all our shared commonalities the US had a civil war, and even China has a lot more unity going for it than Russia. — wuliheron
UKIP hasn't made it books public where it has gotten money, just like well, Trump hasn't given his tax records. Yet here it should be noticed that parties like UKIP or the National Front aren't parties invented by Moscow and directly lead by Moscow as the historical Komintern. Still, obviously there is a link. When a politician praises a dictator like Putin, there usually is a reason... like money.
For example, Sweden Democrats (if I am correct) are a party that indeed does have it's Neo-nazi roots and has it admirers of Putin, yet it isn't linked to Russia as some other far right wing parties are. And actually it voted in favour of the new treaty between Sweden and NATO, which Russia was totally against. — ssu
Ok, here's the reference:You are a fantasist, conspiracy theorist with no evidence. — tom
See (The Telegraph article): Ukip under fire after blocking scrutiny of party donationsThe UK Independence Party faces criticism after attempting to block scrutiny of party donations, as part of a drive to halt Russian influence in Europe.
Nigel Farage and his MEPs voted today against measures calling for greater transparency of donations from outside the EU to political parties. It came in a series of anti-Putin proposals proposed in Strasbourg including measures to counter Russian propaganda and stripping the country of its "strategic partner" status.
Ukip were joined by the European radical right in opposing the measures, including the Front National, which has received funding from Russia. Ukip insisted that they opposed the measures because they think questions of party donations and foreign policy should be set by Britain, not the European Commission.
See (Sputnik article)True Colors: Nominally Populist Sweden Democrats Help Ratify NATO DealDespite earlier pledges by party leader Jimmie Åkesson to join efforts with the Left to stop the agreement he claimed posed "a threat to Sweden's neutrality," the Sweden Democrats had second thoughts in the eleventh hour and voted unanimously in favor of the controversial deal with NATO.
The flood of "fake news" [in the US] election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation.
Russia's increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery - including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human "trolls," and networks of websites and social-media accounts - echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers. The effort also sought to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia.
Two teams of independent researchers found that the Russians exploited American-made technology platforms to attack US democracy at a particularly vulnerable moment.
And more interestingly, the hackings of the DNC (both Podesta and the earlier ones) do seem to have been done by Russians. What the US does about this is an open question. Likely the honeymoon Trump has with Putin won't last long, but what can Russia take out of is interesting to see.A lot of that crap about 'lying Hillary' was aided and abetted by this misinformation. — Wayfarer
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