giving answers to whats obvious is a waste of time, and can create confusion, better if u just look and see — OmniscientNihilist
You’re free to ignore any questions that make you uncomfortable, of course, but it makes me wonder why a person with such a lack of curiosity would participate in a forum such as this. — praxis
i answered your question — OmniscientNihilist
Looking at it again, I guess you did. At the end where you wrote, “giving answers to whats obvious is a waste of time...”, I must have mistakenly took as acknowledgement that what preceded it was gibberish. — praxis
I, for one, believe that yes, you're wrong in assuming this.I could be wrong in assuming this (etc.) — BBQueue
We can induce people hearing things with drugs also, this doesn't mean when they are hearing things at other times, there is no thing they are hearing. You didn't say that since we can induce the feeling with drugs this means that when it happens without the drugs it is really just an internal chemical thing with no actual object of sensing or stimulation, but often this is used as an argument demonstrating, supposedly, that therefore it isn't God when people feel this feeling.Yes, the so-called "religious experience" or "mystical experience" is a neurochemical phenomenon that can be induced with drugs, and occurs (without drugs) even in strong atheists like me. — Pfhorrest
Which doesn't add up to either you or your friends knowing what is going on in you and has very little to do with knowing what is happening in non-drug induced religious experiences in other people. IOW your argument is coming down to a↪Tzeentch I don’t have any professional research on hand to share, but for myself personally I have had sober experiences that match the descriptions I’ve read of “mystical” experiences, and friends who have done LSD say that when I am having those experiences I seem like someone on a “really good trip”, and that their experiences while on LSD also match the descriptions they’ve read of “mystical experiences”. — Pfhorrest
We can induce people hearing things with drugs also, this doesn't mean when they are hearing things at other times, there is no thing they are hearing. You didn't say that since we can induce the feeling with drugs this means that when it happens without the drugs it is really just an internal chemical thing with no actual object of sensing or stimulation, but often this is used as an argument demonstrating, supposedly, that therefore it isn't God when people feel this feeling. — Coben
If there was no God to speak of, would people still feel a spiritual, God-like sensation?
God does exist. You are God. — ovdtogt
↪Coben The question in the OP isn’t whether God exists, but if people would still have mystical experiences if he didn’t. Since we have examples of mystical experiences attributable to things other than God, the answer is yes, whether or not God exists and might be behind other such experiences. — Pfhorrest
Those participants can easily just avoid the topic, or join in the thought experiment. Given that it is the assumption, it is not as if they are be cornered into chaning their minds or seeming to. — Coben
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