a much better understanding of all the things which are existentially dependent upon and/or consist of both the objective and the subjective. — creativesoul
The now of consciousness is mediate rather than immediate. This radical mediacy at the heart of the supposed pure self-aware subjectivity of consciousness destroys the realist's dream of the purely empirical at the same time that it deprives the subject of its independence from the objects it perceives. Subject and object become only subjective and objective poles of an indissociable interaction in which there is no longer a subject that it is someting like to BE, nor an objective world independent of that subject which it engages with from out of its solipsism. — Joshs
The person demonstrating says and points out to me: “This is rational, this is true, and this is what is meant by law; this is how you must think when you think truly.” To be sure, he wants me to grasp and acknowledge his ideas, but not as his ideas; he wants me to grasp them as generally rational; i.e., also as mine. He only expresses what is my own understanding.
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All presentation, all demonstration – and the presentation of thought is demonstration – has, according to its original determination – and that is all that matters to us – the cognitive activity of the other person as its ultimate aim. — Feuerbach
a much better understanding of all the things which are existentially dependent upon and/or consist of both the objective and the subjective.
— creativesoul
You don't seem to have discarded the distinction between the objective and the subjective. Can you rephrase the above sentence without using the terms "subjective" and "objective"? If not, and you need to use the terms, then they will be of no use unless you maintain the distinction between them. — Janus
What is there to say about ancient people’s assuming that our vision ‘shone outward’ rather than light ‘shining inward’? — I like sushi
My point was how we layer on accumulated knowledge and regard it as if it is our natural intuitive attitude. — I like sushi
What are logical forms taking account of?
— creativesoul
Illogical thought; irrational reasoning.
— Mww
What about logical thought, and rational reasoning? — creativesoul
You're going to have to replace it (the subjective/objective distinction) with something...
— Mww
Nah. I reject it based upon my own knowledge of all human thought and belief. I 'replaced it' with a much better understanding of all the things which are existentially dependent upon and/or consist of both the objective and the subjective. — creativesoul
As if it's impossible to discard. Read my threads. — creativesoul
Using to refer is mention. — creativesoul
I think human experience, primordially speaking, is prior to any such distinction — Janus
What are logical forms taking account of?
— creativesoul
Illogical thought; irrational reasoning.
— Mww
What about logical thought, and rational reasoning?
— creativesoul
What about them? — Mww
What are you referring to if there is no coherent distinction? Now, don't get me wrong, I think human experience, primordially speaking, is prior to any such distinction, but we cannot get any conscious handle on that primordial experience; it is rightly thought as transcendental. — Janus
...the mountain experiences erosion. — Janus
I don’t think I’m asking too much. — Mww
First of all, I've never said that the objective/subjective dichotomy was incoherent. — creativesoul
One cannot get a good handle on primordial experience, if one doesn't have the basics of complex experience right. — creativesoul
If primordial experience, as distinct from conscious experience, is pre-conceptual then no discursive handle can be gotten on it, despite your promissory notes. — Janus
On the other hand, if I take mountain/erosion as metaphor for change, then I must say experience doesn’t change; each is as it is in itself. Experience is singular and successive, not a unity and changing, the technical definition of consciousness. — Mww
First of all, I've never said that the objective/subjective dichotomy was incoherent.
— creativesoul
What exactly is your issue with it then? — Janus
It's better than forwarding no argument at all! — Janus
Beyond what is consciously experienced we experience processes and forces just as the mountain experiences erosion — Janus
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