If no amount of uncertainty is acceptable, what does this mean for human interaction in general?
It seems to me man can never be absolutely certain of anything. Wouldn't that make all human interaction immoral, in your view? — Tzeentch
I believe most homeless people suffer from depression due to the dangerous nature of sexual relationships. I believe many homeless people could find peace by making some sort of peace with their former lovers. Unfortunately homeless people are very often the types to take relationships very seriously which is largely what drives them to for lack of a better phrase "an extreme lifestyle". — christian2017
I have interacted with him before, several times, and sometimes managed to have an interesting discussion, and sometimes I get bored. But there are many posters I engage for a bit and then get bored with. Actually, I find you preachy and boring more so because you preach a thoughtless conventional scientistic wisdom that is immune from any self criticism. Schop and I are about as opposed as we could be on this and many other topics, but that is valuable in a discussion to anyone who is interested in philosophy rather than following convention. — unenlightened
I'd have to ask for any proof that homeless people are "often the types to take relationships very seriously" as this seems like armchair evidence of such
Life is an experiment. — ZzzoneiroCosm
With what objective and controlled by who?
If it is an experiment who gave permission for individuals to be used in that experiment? — Brett
Why should people be used like this? What you are saying is that we must be pressured to violate negative ethics in order fix some X situation. Two wrongs don't make a right. — schopenhauer1
"if you believe all of my ethical positions you will also believe my conclusions as to what range of actions they lead to". — Isaac
Because there ARE people that do not fit the mold. People are not cookie-cutters. — schopenhauer1
what would be my responsibility if she were a tedious repetitive proselytising anti-natalist? Should I be proud or ashamed? — unenlightened
So what would be my position if my daughter were so miserable as to wish she had never been born? what would be my responsibility if she were a tedious repetitive proselytising anti-natalist? Should I be proud or ashamed? — unenlightened
Some people just blindly follow religion, — schopenhauer1
I didn't ask you how you know there are such people. I asked you how you know there 'always will be' such people, which is the claim required in order to support your position. — Isaac
It would be my position not to use people in present generations (cause conditions of harm for them) for future generations to be better off. — schopenhauer1
The anti-natal theme in Christianity is quite strong, in the monastic tradition, the celibacy of priests, the Shakers, Cathars, and the general notion of the fallen state of man and the vale of tears. And it ends in apocalyptic fantasies of rapture, second coming and so on.
My question isn't really about relationships, but about the morality. The Shakers were anti-natalist and their way of life did not survive. So there is a pragmatic moral principle that anti-natalists should have children to spread the word. Rather like the Bodhisattva reincarnating after enlightenment... — unenlightened
So no one has any duty to alleviate suffering? — Isaac
I'm wondering specifically if you have any other ethics or if this radical non-aggression principle is your only aim. — Isaac
So I'm just wondering what the point would be. Why not cause suffering? — Isaac
It's an argument. It's quite a strong argument against any form of utilitarianism. "Your joy cannot justify my suffering." — unenlightened
It's axiomatic in his system.
For good or for ill. — Coben
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