Truth is correspondence between thought and/or belief and what's happened, is happening, and/or will happen. — creativesoul
So what is truth, then? — Bartricks
So far, I think the best way to express truth is to express the principles through which it manifests (this is based on the perspective that we, humans, and everything else, are a manifestation of reality - therefore, truth is expressed by the principles which operate through everything, despite the relativity, and which also enfold everything). — BrianW
That is, truth is the property of being a proposition that Reason asserts to be the case. When Reason asserts that something is the case, it is the case. Her asserting it, and its being true are one and the same — Bartricks
I think these principles need to be more inclusive than cause and effect or vibration in order to operate through and enfold ALL of reality despite relativity to space, time, value or meaning... — Possibility
Usefulness. The truth is useful. Falsehoods aren't.Sorry to answer with another question, but why do we want the truth, what do we want from it, what are we expecting? — Brett
Reason results in false conclusions when you don't have all the relevant information (reasons) to support some conclusion. With the right input, the process of reasoning produces the right output.Reason has been shown to result in false conclusions. True belief exists in it's entirety prior to Reason. Thus, the following is rejected...
...'truth' is the property of being a proposition whose contents Reason asserts to be the case - is true.
— Bartricks
Truth is correspondence between thought and/or belief and what's happened, is happening, and/or will happen. — creativesoul
I am typing and submitting a post. Does this sentence correspond to what has happened? Is it the truth?Truth is correspondence between thought and/or belief and what's happened, is happening, and/or will happen.
— creativesoul
Prove, please. — tim wood
Is it true that the statement is false?What if, as you say, someone asserts this proposition:
1. This statement is false.
Using your words, our Reason enables us to assert such proposition. ' When reason asserts that something is the case, it is the case.' In that case, is the proposition true or false? — 3017amen
Usefulness. The truth is useful. Falsehoods aren't. — Harry Hindu
Is it true that the statement is false?
1h — Harry Hindu
Something can be true and no-one believe it, and someone can believe something and it not be true. — Bartricks
I am talking about 'truth', not beliefs. They don't depend on each other, contrary to what you've asserted, as a moment's reflection reveals. Once again, the fact a proposition is true does not entail that it is believed. And the fact a proposition is believed does not entail it is true. — Bartricks
Truth is correspondence between thought and/or belief and what's happened, is happening, and/or will happen.
— creativesoul
Prove, please. — tim wood
Not necessarily true conclusion. Just because someone does not value a quality in himself, does not mean that he has no high amounts of that quality. Your conclusion, Bartricks, is false. — god must be atheist
Truth, to me, can be boiled down to two categories. The metaphorical truth, that is the abstraction of truth in pursuit for pragmatism, and the objective truth, the truth that is literal, observable, and can be proven time and time again. — ep3265
Bartricks, you are up to your old bar tricks. I wish bar tricks would be barred, but barring that, a bar would be nice to have, that would bar your bar tricks from being seen by those who don't want to see your posts. — god must be atheist
A proof would constitute proof of that. Your claim, you prove. It looks like you don't have one. Not to worry, no one else does either. Maybe useful to distinguish between "true" and "truth" - different words. My own conclusion is that "truth" is an abstract general term that by itself means nothing at all determinate, but at best implies that there are true statements while being entirely agnostic as to what exactly that is.Prove, please.
— tim wood
What would constitute being proof of that? — creativesoul
A lot to be said for this, if not looked at too closely.We might ask, "How does reason know?" - Or is that irrelevant? Or, we may allow reason to ground a claim that this or that proposition is true, but that doesn't reach truth itself.I provided an argument in support of the view that truth is a performative of Reason - that is, a proposition is true, when Reason asserts its content to be the case. — Bartricks
What if, as you say, someone asserts this proposition:
1. This statement is false.
Using your words, our Reason enables us to assert such proposition. ' When reason asserts that something is the case, it is the case.' In that case, is the proposition true or false? — 3017amen
Our disagreement is the bit about interdependence between belief and truth.
In order for a proposition to be true, there must first be a proposition. Propositions are existentially dependent upon language. Language... belief. Therefore... true propositions are existentially dependent upon belief.
True belief exists prior to language. So too does truth. Thus, truth cannot be what you say it is. Besides that, Reason - and following the rules of entailment in particular - can lead to falsehood. See Gettier or any of the historical examples of conventional false belief. — creativesoul
So are you saying that it is logically impossible for there to exist no true propositions? — 3017amen
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