Point 2 in the OP could also use some clarification. Stoics believe in living according to nature. — praxis
As for your question, I don't find it very interesting, — praxis
Why, oh why, haven't I asked this question? Why did I have to ask instead the question that I wanted to ask? Darn it.I think a more interesting question might be whether or not Western culture and its particular value structure is fertile soil for Stoicism. — praxis
Regarding the two pillars, all I should say is that three disciplines are discussed in How to Be a Stoic, which are desire, action, and ascent. — praxis
I watched the video only. I never read a thing on Stoicism. I can't read. — god must be atheist
No, seriously, I get your point. I did not write this question particularly for you or to entertain you. I wrote this quesiton for ALL those philosophers who find it not particularly interesting. — god must be atheist
I wish I could be you, Praxis. If I were, then I could ask all the interesting questions that interest you and not me. — god must be atheist
how do you reconcile the drive to teach Stoicism when it can't be taught at all to human beings? — god must be atheist
Where then do I look for good and evil? Not to uncontrollable externals, but within myself to the choices that are my own…”
– Epictetus
I can say clearly to myself which are externals not under my control, — Brett
it does if the things happening beyond out control are the result of someone's decision, like torture for the pleasure of the torturer. — Diagonal Diogenes
According to its teachings, as social beings, the path to eudaimonia (happiness) for humans is found in accepting the moment as it presents itself, by not allowing oneself to be controlled by the desire for pleasure or fear of pain, by using one's mind to understand the world and to do one's part in nature's plan, and by working together and treating others fairly and justly.
The theme seems to be:
1. accept events beyond our control and not agonize in wishing that things were a different way.
2. working together and treating others fairly and justly. — Diagonal Diogenes
they can't deal with the suffering they have to endure. — Diagonal Diogenes
Excuse me, but it seems you are strawmanning what it means to be Stoic. — Diagonal Diogenes
And what does it matter if no one controls externals? — Diagonal Diogenes
And what does it matter if no one controls externals?
— Diagonal Diogenes
It matters and I explained its significance clearly and unambiguously. — god must be atheist
hunger, your children don’t eat too well, you have no work, your wife is ill, you have no resources, you have rent to pay, you haven’t recovered from an injury, the kids are skipping school, they’re mixing with the wrong crowd, you know drugs are involved, one of them is arrested, he goes to prison.
I think what God must be aetheist is saying is that the world of the philosophical Stoic is unreal, that they assume all externals are somehow nothing to do with other men, that no one has control over the things others suffer under. — Brett
Discipline of the mind may help you find a course of action - any course of action - that has a possibility of improving your lot, instead of doing nothing but moping. — Diagonal Diogenes
If this is what philosophical Stoics claim, then I do not agree with it either. — Diagonal Diogenes
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