I guess the question is whether people voted for SNP to have another referendum or did so in order to give a big middle finger to Labour.
Are you familiar with British politics?
I thought you were being rhetorical.
Johnson got into power on the backs of the poor, to whom he made populist promises. — Punshhh
the blue collar workers are waking up — Brett
Yes, you have a point, in the constituencies we are discussing the situation is complex. Because the large industries they used to work in have gone and some people have picked themselves and their communities up and become more prosperous, but many haven't. Others think their deprived neighbourhoods are the normality with no idea of the large belts of prosperity in the affluent areas, predominantly in the south.
I really do think the blue collar workers are waking up to things. The problem for them is that you don’t realise that they are.
Edit: so much so that we can’t even define them.
And the women? — Brett
What there is instead are heartless, crumbling communities full of toxic masculinity - chavs and perverts. Corbyn does not appeal to men who depend on their racer-boy drug- pushing image for their sense of worth; Johnson is much more their style. — unenlightened
I meant do you regard the women in the same light? — Brett
I can have a look later, but I thought people think that a snap referendum would be 52/48 the other way. Media commentators have been saying this for over a year. Also why are the brexiters so vehemently against it and have been saying that the people who were making the case for a confirmatory vote, where doing it to stop Brexit. Surely they wanted more democracy now that we are better informed. — Punshhh
It is imerging that the reason these areas supported Johnson is, apart from "get Brexit done", is that they feel that the Labour Party has moved away from them moving further to the left with a metropolitan ideological socialism and don't anymore represent them. — Punshhh
They disliked Corbyn as a leader — Tim3003
They who? Some of 'them' revered him as an almost Christ-like figure. Remember how the party membership increased. — unenlightened
the membership is 500,000. But it is mainly made up of the hard-left, — Tim3003
I agree with this. I was discussing a slower long term shift of the traditional Labour heartlands away from traditional socialism.They disliked Corbyn as a leader, also seeing him as a possible security risk and not a good ambassador for the UK internationally.
They did not believe Labour's huge spending promises could ever be paid for.
As an aside I believe that if Heseltine had become PM the world would be a different place now. The best prime minister we never had. — Punshhh
No, I don't think so. Left, sure, but not hard. — unenlightened
I'd say Corbyn represents it. If he doesn't, who does? — Tim3003
I thought it despicable that Johnson's first celebratory visit was to Sedgfield, Blair's seat. Rubbing salt into the wound like that is not Heseltine's style. — Punshhh
Would Heseltine have done that? — Punshhh
Looking forward to making you eat this when the Dems win the Whitehouse. :halo: — Baden
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