I had a shitty day at work... — Pfhorrest
...you seem weirdly obtuse about this topic. — Pfhorrest
If all you meant was that people who are helped by religions will be more likely to do things to support them in turn, then we're in agreement. — Pfhorrest
I suddenly feel 10 years old. — praxis
You said "compelled". That suggests a degree of force I didn't insinuate, like there's some kind of obligation backed by force comparable to that of law. — Pfhorrest
What exactly is a religion (such as Christianity in the United States) competing with the state over? — praxis
Who said the religious left are not spending their money on the needy? You really seem to love your straw men. — Pfhorrest
But there is also a clear motive for religions to oppose state-operated social services, so that religion is the only place to turn to for social services, and so more people turn to religion. That would be a motive more for people who are concerned about their religion "winning" over alternative worldviews and lifestyles, and less for people who see other religions and the state providing those same things as allies in a common cause. In other words, the right vs the left. — Pfhorrest
You seriously couldn’t tell that I was being facetious?
But there is also a clear motive for religions to oppose state-operated social services, so that religion is the only place to turn to for social services, and so more people turn to religion. That would be a motive more for people who are concerned about their religion "winning" over alternative worldviews and lifestyles, and less for people who see other religions and the state providing those same things as allies in a common cause. In other words, the right vs the left.
— Pfhorrest
Your meaning isn’t clear, but you seem to be suggesting that the religious left doesn’t care about “winning.” Why should they care any less about winning than the right? I can assure you that the left cares a great deal about not losing in political issues like abortion, etc.
So does the religious left use their psychological pressure on the needy to promote Pro-choice laws and policies, and effectively work against their Conservative religious brethren in the adjacent pew? — praxis
Where do you see an effect of the religious left not trying to win new members for their congregations? — god must be atheist
Where do you see an effect of the religious left not trying to win new members for their congregations? — god must be atheist
Where did I claim that was the case? — praxis
Your meaning isn’t clear, but you seem to be suggesting that the religious left doesn’t care about “winning.” Why should they care any less about winning than the right? I can assure you that the left cares a great deal about not losing in political issues like abortion, etc. — praxis
To recap, pfhorrest claimed that the religious right (henceforth RR) uses charity to psychologically pressure the needy to support conservative causes — praxis
To recap, pfhorrest claimed that the religious right (henceforth RR) uses charity to psychologically pressure the needy to support conservative causes
— praxis
You got that backwards. I’m not saying they use religion to further their political ends, but that they use politics to further their religious ends. — Pfhorrest
I am abandoning the conversation with him on this topic for a while. — god must be atheist
My point was that he claims you differentiate between the religious right and the religious left, while you never once did that in this thead. — god must be atheist
the religious right is so antisocialist — Pfhorrest
This is the unconscious mind at work, where the conscious mind is akin to a whistle on a locomotive chugging along forward. — Wallows
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