Is this also what madness is, to be only aware of yourself? — Brett
I don’t understand that? — Brett
or else was it a statement with a mistaken question mark? — god must be atheist
Mistaken question mark. I’ve no idea why I did that. — Brett
degustation sitting — StreetlightX
Why would we not be content in a dark room with ourselves? — Brett
is that like lap-dancing? — god must be atheist
The assumption is that you are not allowed to play with yourself. No food sensation, no touch, no hearing, no seeing, no tasting, no defacating, no peeing, no itching, no scratching, no stretching, no bugyborekolas, no gurgling, no singing, no talking, no nothing. — god must be atheist
But I still need to know what you meant. — Brett
Is that who we are then? — Brett
There is no "ourselves" without others. That's where we get ourselves from. The self is a social phenomenon. Remove the social and you remove the self. — Baden
suggesting the dissolution of the self when someone is removed from society? — Hanover
Also, don't you think a newborn has a sense of self prior to his having any conception of society? — Hanover
And what is meant precisely of "social"? — Hanover
If I'm raised by a pack of wolves, can they give me a sense of self? — Hanover
What if I raise a dog? Can her sense of self come from a non-dog? — Hanover
Can the "other" be a tree, where my society of trees offers me an sense of self? — Hanover
I'm not saying that a person born alone won't be terribly confused and likely incapable of survival, but I wonder if he wouldn't know of his own independent self. — Hanover
Once I was in New Orleans and I paid $2 to see a wild scantily clad Cajun woman, supposedly captured in the bayou, maybe raised by gators. She seemed unstable from her mannerisms, but, at the same time looked no different than an average college girl with a really terrible solution to paying her rent. I think she had a sense of self, but maybe a diminished sense of self worth, likely from the way the gators treated her. — Hanover
Developmentally, senses come before conceptions by definition as concepts are linguistic. — Baden
What would there be to know? The self only makes sense in the context of the other. For a start, no other, no language, no self concept. So, you're left with some kind of awareness maybe but no construction of the self. — Baden
We didn't really get to why the self would dissolve without any social contact. Usually, it's simply put that people go nuts. But that sort of amounts to the same thing. — Baden
I'll concede your empirical claims: senses come before concepts and socialization in humans is necessary for survival. Concepts being linguistic is not an empirical claim, but a philosophical one, and likely one that demands strained definitions. — Hanover
I often grasp issues and then spend some amount of time trying to precisely articulate them. — Hanover
What is the empirical evidence for this assertion? I'd think a dog understands what is his and what is not, which means he knows himself from the other and he has no langauge to say "get away from my food" other than his bark and bite, which is langauge in a broad sense I guess. — Hanover
Going nuts isn't the same as losing one's sense of self. — Hanover
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