Everyone still living is blue-pilled as fuck. — dukkha
While there is life in man, he can perfect himself and serve the Universe. But he can serve the Universe only by perfecting himself, and perfect himself only by serving the Universe. — John
Because that's just the way things work out??? :s — John
We all want to avoid suffering. — dukkha
I'm indicating that I don't think there's any explanation, of the kind you appear to be after, either available or needed. — John
What about just "I am suffering, therefore suicide."
Seems perfectly logical. Everyone still living is blue-pilled as fuck. — dukkha
Usually people consider suicide when they become seriously depressed, or their suffering seems unbearable, or their situation seems hopeless. Often it's a psychological issue or a physiological one. But just every day life doesn't usually make one consider suicide. Continuing to experience the only life you are certain to have seems like a better choice than not experiencing anything. — Marchesk
What seems to be reasonable is to always have suicide available as an option as a means of grounding one's decisions and outlook on life. It's easy to get carried away in a stream of good fortune and forget the underlying mechanisms of life. Good fortune, of course, is good, but having an exit available in case this does not last or shit hits the fan is, in my opinion, only rational. It means to take control of one's life. If you burn a meal in the oven on accident, you don't force yourself to eat it. You throw it away. It's only rational - i.e. in our best interests. — darthbarracuda
From the perspective of religion, we are God's children in kindergarten, so need to be nappy trained and this is as good a way as any to do it. From the perspective of spirituality we are fulfilling a role within an eternal cosmos of being. That role is not necessarily something we can know, but will have some relevance to the development of being, or the enterprise we find ourselves involved in.
In both cases as I expect you were expecting the greater purposes are known to God/god, or whoever is in that role. — Punshhh
It's the needed part I'm perplexed at. — schopenhauer1
That doesn't sound like Tolstoy (who was a Christian) at all. Can you cite a source for that? — John
olstoy affirms that the lives of 'milliards' of people show him that all these rational categories of despair-in-life are mistaken, and that their example shows him that life has meaning through faith - though he then goes on to criticise the Church hierarchy too. — mcdoodle
It's the ultimate option we might have to decide freely upon our own faith and vica versa, being aware of this option might actually negate suffering seeing it can be used to willingly undergo certain circumstances instead of feeling like a slave to circumstances. — Gooseone
What about just "I am suffering, therefore suicide."
Seems perfectly logical. Everyone still living is blue-pilled as fuck. — dukkha
Suicide is a the ultimate pain reliever, better than heroin. And the good thing is that it doesn't even matter that you wont experience pleasure again - because this is a kind of suffering, and you are dead. The dead can't be deprived. — dukkha
We exist to entropify with slave-like efficiency. — darthbarracuda
What do you say; do we exist to redeem the universe, or do we exist to make plastic? Or do we just exist? — John
What do you say; do we exist to redeem the universe, or do we exist to make plastic? Or do we just exist? — John
Yes I am inclined to agree with you, however there are answers provided by believers. Let's break it down.So this is of course subjected to the same absurd conclusions- why does this whole training have to occur in the first place? If it is because God wills it, then he must have also been bored to set up this little game. But, if we are here in order to raise the lower worlds to the higher worlds, I don't see how this should make us feel much better. Now we are just pawns in this cosmic game. Of course, this is all based on a fantasy that somehow is more believable than other fantasies due to historical contingencies of conversion.. Odd, how this cosmic game is something that is oddly anthropological. Of course it centers around humans, of course it is some sort of struggle, of course it has aspects of Platonic and Zoroastrian cultural elements. All beliefs picked up by various philosophers from various regions, reified into a nice little fantasy package.
Yes it's possible that we are in a Mainlander situation, we can't know from our perspective(putting revelation to one side for now). The trouble is that when considering cosmic purpose, it strikes me that we just can't do it philosophically other than through some intuitive contemplation of nature as I pointed out in the other thread. If there is a cosmic purpose being played out unless we are privy to the mind of the active agencies instigating it, we are entirely in the dark as to what the purpose might be.If God is somehow incomplete or must go through a process of raising his lower parts to his higher parts by our actions and deeds (what constitutes as legitimately a "good" action or belief versus just an action or belief..must have some sort of magical metaphysical quality of course), then it means that something happened to God. He was complete and now he is not. We need to fix Humpty Dumpty back together again.. Mainlander has a similar story reversed though. Instead of God bursting himself into the physical world in order to get fixed again, he was really bored and wanted us to exhaust ourselves in entropic nothingness so that he could commit suicide. It seems either way, God is a bored fella.. He either is bored to death (Mainlander) or bored with being a complete being and so needs pawns in a game (Judeo-Christian mystical traditions for purpose).
Well the answer goes that God being mighty has a mighty purpose and us mere mortals can't understand such mighty matters. But we can be privy in some way through revelation. — Punshhh
Well this is covered by the fall. We weren't living difficult lives initially, but we fell from grace, by partaking of the tree of knowledge. Thus we learnt how to be evil and it's been downhill from there. However if we can make the path of return we can be reinstated in paradise in the knowledge of evil, while not practicing it. — Punshhh
This I see as fallacious, all things, beings etc are pawns regardless, even gods. — Punshhh
Again this is a bit fallacious, because our philosophy could not be anything else, due to us not having higher beings telling us the bigger picture. Also we can see the bigger picture to a certain degree, we can see the same issues playing out in the animal and plant kingdom and so see that it is not just us, but life in general who are acting out this charade. — Punshhh
Also I would point out that we can't presume that God(or whoever it is) is infallible. This was wishful thinking by the early Roman Christians. — Punshhh
What you don't seem to get is that it is merely an opinion (a not very helpful one at that) and that others may be of an entirely different opinion. — John
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