I can't really imagine that. Perhaps you should ask someone who's entered a sensory deprivation chamber because that's the closest you can get to being conscious in an empty universe.Imagine you are born as adult, fully intelligent, in a completely empty universe. — Zelebg
I don't think there can be an intelligent being who literally doesn't know anything.What does it even mean to be intelligent without having no any information about anything? — Zelebg
It's an old philosophical problem. Some philosophers believe we are born with a blank slate. I'm thinking of empiricists such as Locke and Hume.Or do we get born with some kind of basic information with which we could then derive some basic concepts and eventually geometry and math? — Zelebg
that's sufficient to derive everything else in the Platonic realm of geometry and math, and who knows what else is there. — Zelebg
What does it even mean to be intelligent without having no any information about anything? — Zelebg
Or do we get born with some kind of basic information with which we could then derive some basic concepts and eventually geometry and math? — Zelebg
Quite a bit of behaviour emerges from learning how to react to a posteriori information, in Kant's lingo. Still, pure reason, i.e. a priori cognition only, is also possible. Mathematics, being language about language, has gradually become exclusively a priori, i.e. pure reason. — alcontali
Mathematics is the recognition of patterns - no patterns, no maths. — Banno
I don't see how a color is a concept, or how it could be derived from prior concepts. It is a brute sensation. Actually, concepts are composed of colors. In this sense, colors are one of the basic building blocks of concepts. Every thought you have isn't composed of words. They are composed of colors, shapes, sounds, tactile sensations, etc. Words are themselves composed of these things. You can't use words without having eyes and ears, or the sense of touch for braille.By the way, what are the minimum necessary concepts to derive the concept of colors? — Zelebg
the concept of colors? — Zelebg
I think logic requires some sort of substance to use it upon. — chromechris
Logic without science is religion. — ovdtogt
Haha yes, logic becomes whatever tf' you want it to be. — chromechris
Mathematics is the recognition of patterns - no patterns, no maths., — Banno
Imagine you are born as adult, fully intelligent, in a completely empty universe. What does it even mean to be intelligent without having no any information about anything? Or do we get born with some kind of basic information with which we could then derive some basic concepts and eventually geometry and math? By the way, what are the minimum necessary concepts to derive the concept of colors? — Zelebg
Logic validates reasoning as a specific epistemology* validates the assumptions from which we reason. — jambaugh
Many of the first order theories described above can be extended to complete recursively enumerable consistent theories. This is no longer true for most of the following theories; they can usually encode both multiplication and addition of natural numbers, and this gives them enough power to encode themselves, which implies that Gödel's incompleteness theorem applies and the theories can no longer be both complete and recursively enumerable (unless they are inconsistent). — Wikipedia: List of first-order theories
Mathematics is the recognition of patterns - no patterns, no maths.,
— Banno
Well, no. — alcontali
Cutting out the slack, I'm pointing out that the private language argument shows that the world hypothesised in the OP cannot happen. Language is essentially social. — Banno
#!/usr/bin/env lua print("hello world") print("I can correctly parse this. What would there be social about me?")
#!/usr/bin/env lua
print("hello world")
print("I can correctly parse this. What would there — alcontali
How are you doing that? Color and all. — TheMadFool
What does it even mean to be intelligent without having no any information about anything? — Zelebg
We cannot validate the assumptions, i.e. the first principles, from which we reason, because they cannot be justified. — alcontali
What does it even mean to be intelligent without having no any information about anything? — Zelebg
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