Who gives a fuck. — Banno
Except that a lot of people do exactly that, which makes them proper subjects for a close questioning. To deny the significance is to deny the historical record, the present in the sense of very recent history, and the future as aspects of human nature, which if they're going away, certainly are not going away any time soon, but whose departure must be assisted with and by reason.But this is the triviality of such discussions, one takes a metaphor and a psychological insight as literal — unenlightened
That is indeed the crucial question. and the answer is 'no one'. It was an immaculate conception and no one gave a fuck, and that is why Jesus was born without sin. But he was born of woman and thus also fully human. As the op well knows.
But this is the triviality of such discussions, one takes a metaphor and a psychological insight as literal and then claims that magic is impossible. Not even stupid. — unenlightened
...BUT...the Immaculate Conception has nothing to do with Jesus. (A common mistake made by non-Catholics and sometimes by Catholics also.) — Frank Apisa
They've had 2000 years to work these things out, and unsurprisingly, some random poster is not going to trip them up now. — unenlightened
,We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which holds that the Blessed Virgin Mary, at the first instant of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace of the Omnipotent God, in virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of mankind, was preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin, has been revealed by God, and therefore should firmly and constantly be believed by all the faithful.
Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus, 1854
If god did not want rivers to speak, He would not have given them mouths. — unenlightened
Who gives a fuck. — Banno
also fully human. As the op well knows. — unenlightened
Was Jesus born with Original Sin? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
The whole doctrine makes sense in its own terms, — unenlightened
Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon, and others contributed to the idea by the 2nd century, and so did St. Augustine in 412 CE, all drawing on St. Paul. — Bitter Crank
What's funny is that Christians and atheists would both answer 'No'. — Virgo Avalytikh
How do you make sense out of a god that cannot reproduce without a human female? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Where/when/by whom was the concept of original sin first developed? — BrianW
It seems to me that the core of the idea of original sin -- that people generally can't go very long without doing something awful to each other -- has been abundantly proved. — Bitter Crank
Just don't believe in the crap, — god must be atheist
I, personally believe the universe was created. — Qwex
it is almost impossible for that faith to be reasonable. — BrianW
But alas I, a mere mortal, have no cure for literalism. — unenlightened
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