Correlation does not imply causation. — NOS4A2
Again I don’t look to politicians for truth. In fact I think it would be idiotic and naive to do so. What I want is leadership and results. — NOS4A2
I expect politicians to spin facts to make events seem less or more favorable to therm.
But -- Call me naive but I expect politicians to avoid telling factually verifiable lies on a daily basis.
The term “lies” implies an intention to deceive. But given that knowledge of those intentions are completely absent from our knowledge, the use of the term “lies” is itself a mistruth or falsity. Add on that the claim that the “lie” is “factually verifiable”, implying you do know the intention as a matter of fact, we have two mistruths and falsities in your use of the phrase “factually verifiable lies”. — NOS4A2
Funny you should mention that, because some Republican Senators have argued that Trump's (stupid) belief in the Crowdstrike Conspiracy Theory constitutes justifiable reason for him to ask Ukraine to investigate it.Stupidity is not a defence either. — Benkei
By this definition, a statement can be a lie only when the liar has confessed to lying.
And they took a blood example from Bill Clinton.At least the last presidential impeachment had the added bonus of sordid details and sexual deviancy. — NOS4A2
Funny you should mention that, because some Republican Senators have argued that Trump's (stupid) belief in the Crowdstrike Conspiracy Theory constitutes justifiable reason for him to ask Ukraine to investigate it.
Perhaps Trump doesn't remember telling Bolton he was tying release of the funds to the Biden investigation, so he's' not lying. That's certainly an example where it doesn't matter.
He does seem to have a poor memory, since he doesn't remember meeting Lev Parnas. It's interesting that he decided to fire Marie Yovanovitch simply after hearing Parnas (the guy he doesn't know) tell him she'd been bad-mouthing him.
That’s a blatant mischaracterization of what I said. — NOS4A2
The term “lies” implies an intention to deceive.
A ridiculous statement.
By this definition, a statement can be a lie only when the liar has confessed to lying.
Ridiculous.
Me:
The term “lies” implies an intention to deceive. But given that knowledge of those intentions are completely absent from our knowledge, the use of the term “lies” is itself a mistruth or falsity.
You:
A ridiculous statement.
By this definition, a statement can be a lie only when the liar has confessed to lying.
Ridiculous.
Merriam-Webster:
lie noun (2)
\ ˈlī \
Definition of lie (Entry 4 of 6)
1a : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceive
He told a lie to avoid punishment.
b : an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer
the lies we tell ourselves to feel better
historical records containing numerous lies
2 : something that misleads or deceives
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie — NOS4A2
Parnas isn't just anybody. Still, it's certainly possible Trump doesn't remember meeting him, but it's also possible he is lying about it. In support of this being a lie: he's met Parnas at least 11 times; Parnas had a give and take with Trump about Ukraine (it's wasn't merely a photo op); sinceTrump was asking him questions he had to have some expectation that he could answer; Parna's claim about Yovanovitch was sufficient to induce Trump to say "get rid of her."The idea that Trump should remember every conversation and every name with everyone he meets is a little silly. — NOS4A2
It's certainly possible Trump doesn't remember meeting Parnas, but it's also possible he is lying about it. In support of this being a lie: he's met Parnas at least 11 times; Parnas had a give and take with Trump about Ukraine (it's wasn't merely a photo op); sinceTrump was asking him questions he had to have some expectation that he could answer; Parna's claim about Yovanovitch was sufficient to induce Trump to say "get rid of her."
In support of it being the truth: Trump's word. I know you don't care about the number of untruths that come out of the guy, but surely you realize that it has an impact on his credibility. This certainly doesn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's lying, but Trump looks bad either way. Why would he take a stranger's claim about Yovanovitch seriously?
He took it seriously enough to react as he did ("get rid of her"). That doesn't seem like a reasonable reaction to a comment made by a casual acquaintance.That’s fair. Trump could definitely be lying. But given that she wasn’t fired for over a year later until after allegations from Ukrainian prosecutors, it appears he didn’t take it serious at all — NOS4A2
He took it seriously enough to react as he did ("get rid of her"). That doesn't seem like a reasonable reaction to a comment made by a casual acquaintance.
The context, the joking and laughter about her comments, suggests to me he was largely kidding around and playing it up for those he was having dinner with. — NOS4A2
Pam Bondi is now laying out the case against the Bidens in front of the senate. — NOS4A2
When it suits your lights it's fine to speculate about intention.
Check your bias.
I’m clearly speculating and not pretending otherwise. — NOS4A2
Your speculation is modeled on a biased framework.
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