Experience is qualia, in that experience consists of one or more different and simultaneous qualities.
— Zelebg
I disagree.
A program that can redefine its set of defined functions and goals. — Zelebg
Those are obviously leading questions, which do hint at/point to my answers. My leading questions there are effectively begging you for your definition of 'free will'. That gets to the point of where you are coming from. So, why are you avoiding taking your stab at that?Questions are not answers — Zelebg
There is no clear definition of free will. — Zelebg
Why not? — Zelebg
Those are obviously leading questions, which do hint at/point to my answers. My leading questions there are effectively begging you for your definition of 'free will'. That gets to the point of where you are coming from. So, why are you avoiding taking your stab at that?
Experience is qualia
It was incoherent and unrelated to my question. If you can not articulate an answer to WHY — Zelebg
again, just asking you for your definition of 'free will' for which your statements and examples are based upon. If you continue to resist then I will just assume you have no definition and you are 'testing the waters' (like a sophist) on some ridiculous idea the all computer programs have human style 'free will', but you really don't believe that, which is why you will not provide your definition that supports that degenerate (case) view. I guess I'm trying to "squeeze water from a rock" with you on this 'free will' topic, and I'm not interest in rhetorical banter on things you really do not believe to be well reasoned and true.
Freedom of volition is proportional to how much it is determined by "self", and inversely proportional to how much is determined by anything else. — Zelebg
at least b/c it is an objectified and unified state which happens apart from time and apart from its hardware or embodiment (incl. any programming) and considers/'feels' all constraints at a single moment. state-machine programs or processes cannot achieve that 3rd party state of entwined being.
Can you evidence they can?
A program that can redefine its set of defined functions and goals.
— Zelebg
bad example. just b/c the programmed changed its 'goals' it is still a deterministic program which is constrained to a (narrow) set of pre-determined behaviors and functions. So, it seems your example fails my request.
Such a program is indeed deterministic at every instant in time, but that does not mean its future functionality is determined at any time, just like humans. — Zelebg
Haven’t you already agreed with me previously that all the evidence points to “self” or “I” being a virtual entity? Anyway — Zelebg
This thing is a ‘virtual reality’, a world of algebraic abstractions and recursive algorithmic interactions, a realm where almost anything is possible.
The only explanation we actually already know of, for the existence of things that do not actually exist, such as unicorns or qualia, is virtual existence.
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Not true. Your computer program will still have pre-determined behaviors even its functionality and/or goals can be expost facto updated, which is completely unlike humans who's behavior is not deterministic in any way or at any moment in time b/c, unlike the computer program, humans (and rats et. al.) have an "I" which is self-determined sufficiently apart from their genetic code/programming to have true 'free will'.
sounds like hypothetical mumbo-jumbo, not evidence.
I already told you "I" is a program in private virtual reality created by the brain — Zelebg
Try to claim this statement is false: the only explanation we actually already know of, for the existence of things that do not actually exist, such as unicorns or qualia, is virtual existence. Once you realize it is actually true, then my point should be self-evident. — Zelebg
nd according to what physics you conclude that human behaviour is not deterministic in any way? — Zelebg
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