Deja vu...

Deja vu... — DingoJones

No, I mean seriously. IF some people are born abnormal or develop profound abnormalities in their life that prevent them from functioning adequately in society, then who's to blame for such an occurrence? The individual?

That would be unjust and wrong.

No ones to blame. Thats just being dealt a bad hand, an unlucky toss of the dice.

No ones to blame. Thats just being dealt a bad hand, an unlucky toss of the dice. — DingoJones

Yeah, so, if it is, then what's wrong with giving up?

An interesting side thought seems to me to be that in places where society is left unchecked or immune from responsibility, and all liability is placed on the individual, then the issue becomes exacerbated.

Maybe you're meant to feel this way.

Maybe giving up is the quick way out.

Nothing wrong with giving up, thats someones personal choice.

Maybe you're meant to feel this way. — Qwex

Ontological placeholders aside, what do you mean by that?

Maybe giving up is the quick way out. — Qwex

You know, I feel your vibe here, coming as an SZ put on two antipsychotics; but, giving up is not really the quick way out. The quick way out is put simply suicide, and that position is self-refuting and untenable.

Nothing wrong with giving up, thats someones personal choice. — DingoJones

But, wait. Here's the point.... Should people who have "given up", be, supported by society anymore, or left to fend for themselves?

I mean, you might be being punished.

I'm not telling you to give up, but I'll suggest, again, that you are in hell.

For committing a life crime in a past life, perhaps.

Suicidal thoughts are part of the package. Would you have preferred the flame?

I mean, you might be being punished. — Qwex

That's incomprehensible. Will the secrets of my own mind reveal itself after I die, or do I read a book and fly to the moon to go to heaven?

That sort of line of reasoning is gibberish.

Why are some of us happy and comfortable then?

Luck? Really?

Yeah, you revert to a more normative state when you die after a life of suffering.

Call it falling to hell, or picture it as you, right now, suffering. Up to you.

Call it falling to hell, or picture it as you, right now, suffering. Up to you. — Qwex

Yeah, well, I suffered enough in my life, and I made the personal decision, that I won't try anymore.

I don't feel bad about it, would you?

I actually can't wait for your suffering to end.

You sound like a human who has suffered enough.

There's a nice beautiful body waiting for you and an applause at 'heavens gates'. While the muffled laughter of the many sheep you burned fade away.

I actually can't wait for your suffering to end.

You sound like a human who has suffered enough. — Qwex

Yes, and I can see that you are suffering too. I hope your suffering ends in a non-dramatic and totally cool manner.

(Antipsychotics sometimes cause akasthesia, a hellish state of being...)

Yeah I am, it's strange how that works. I don't give up, but I have a very durable body.

If I was in a lesser vessel, I would've topped myself a long time ago.

One moment I'm suffering, another moment I'm that guy. One strange cycle. Not one imperfection on me. I fit any picture - perhaps a bit unphotogenic. My suffering is a bit different than yours, a graphical rape, inability to calm down - no alone time - solipsist hell. Again, if I wasn't beautiful I'd have given up through suicide already. Hence 'durability'.

How durable are you if you don't mind me asking?

It is okay to give up, the question is always what do you do after you've given up. If it's to wallow in self-pity then wallowing in self-pity is bad and that makes giving up look bad. As usual, your thread lacks any context.

Give up and try again - in a way that doesn't resemble trying to do the exact same thing that just failed. Do it until you reach an outcome that's acceptable. Don't just try to do the same way of achieving the same goal - which might've always been unrealistic, unattainable or just unlikely to give you the result you thought it would.

Why would anyone whether they wanted what's best for you or not, think that giving up and wallowing in self-pity is a respectable choice?

How durable are you if you don't mind me asking? — Qwex

Not very. It sounds like a different hell.

Do your expectations match your composure under duress? I can't say much about myself in that manner. :confused:

What kind of duress?

What kind of duress? — Judaka

Emotional, financial?

I've always thought there are two ways to solve a problem.

You tackle the nature of the problem or you interpret differently so that which was once a problem is no longer a problem or at least less of a problem.

Why don't you give up on tackling the nature of the problem, that would be better than not giving up and not doing anything which just creates a cycle of stress and discontent. Or at least take a break from not giving up.

Turn your wallowing into cynicism - or something like that. Try to find a better way of not being okay with your situation, one that allows you some strength. Then use that strength to slightly improve the things that you can't stop caring about. In any case, stop trying to do that which you know you can't do and try to find something which you can because even if it leads to no progress whatsoever, it will at least have you walking forward rather than standing still.

There are almost certainly things you need to give up on but contentment isn't one of them.

On a philosophical note as opposed to advice to someone that I don't know, anything we think "society" thinks is a pristine, unrealistic version of what's real. Seemingly happy marriages that aren't happy, great jobs that make people miserable and levels of attractiveness that only a small handful of the population have access to. There's something for everyone but that something often isn't what we're taught to think it is and it can feel counterintuitive.

Luck plays a bigger role than most people are happy to admit but even if you got a raw deal that prevents you from succeeding in a stereotypical way, it doesn't mean you should give up on being content with your life. Flip the table and stop playing the game you were playing and make new rules that redefine success as the thing you want to do and are able to do.

But, wait. Here's the point.... Should people who have "given up", be, supported by society anymore, or left to fend for themselves? — Wallows

Depends on what you mean by give up. I thought you meant suicide or something like that. If you just mean move away from society and live by yourself...then no, society doesnt owe you support or anything else. Society is a social contract we make with each other, if you choose not to participate in that social contract then yes youbare on your own.

Depends on what you mean by give up. I thought you meant suicide or something like that. If you just mean move away from society and live by yourself...then no, society doesnt owe you support or anything else. Society is a social contract we make with each other, if you choose not to participate in that social contract then yes youbare on your own. — DingoJones

Generally speaking, by "giving up" I mean, the rejection of commonly held values that guide Western economically driven sociopolitical mechanisms of incentives and disincentives that shape or to some degree govern human behavior in those particular societies.

Generally speaking, by "giving up" I mean, the rejection of commonly held values that guide Western economically driven sociopolitical mechanisms of incentives and disincentives that shape or to some degree govern human behavior in those particular societies. — Wallows

That is one classy way to declare your hippy-ness. You should have come out a long time again, you would have been happier.