I don't speak for God. — unenlightened
One doesn't need a concept. — unenlightened
No. — unenlightened
See the issue here, already? — Wallows
Yup, but you may not like what i have to say about it. Wallows. — creativesoul
is there anything more we can do — Wallows
I heard he has anger issues. — Wallows
'God' is a term I find necessary to philosophy, and unnecessary to life. — unenlightened
'minimising the pain' — unenlightened
But this is unnecessarily feeble. When God has lost patience with His creation, you will/will-not know about it in no uncertain terms. By definition. Imagine the world on fire. — unenlightened
Yup, but you may not like what i have to say about it. Wallows.
— creativesoul
Yeah, not a very happy thought. Although, who knows what the big entity, up above, thinks about it too. — Wallows
So, you have gratuitous suffering — Wallows
Gratuitous? What do you mean by that? — unenlightened
not called for by the circumstances : not necessary, appropriate, or justified
a gratuitous insult
a gratuitous assumption
a movie criticized for gratuitous violence
2a: given unearned or without recompense — https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gratuitous
Yes, I like panpsychism quite a lot. I think, the issue is that at what point is suffering apparent to a living entity. Like, the hard question restated in regards to consciousness. Not sure if that's clear. — Wallows
Well, I view a deity who instills the sense of cruelty towards his own creation, whilst devoid of experiencing it himself, as somewhat abnormal from a human perspective. — Wallows
Yes, so we are in agreement about the utility of pain from a moral perspective. Is there any to begin with? If it's promised that heaven is a place where nobody suffers, then why not just create a universe where everyone is guaranteed access to heaven regardless of their moral "worth"? — Wallows
What is your response to the burning fawn scenario with respect to God? — Wallows
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