Politicians for the most part from either party are foremost about their own survival. Don’t fool yourself that you’re on the correct side. — Noah Te Stroete
No. I have not got a side. But if it's Trump versus what's become of the Dems, I'm with Trump. There isn't anyone else. — fishfry
So the solution to neoliberalism is the dissolution of all that is decent? I don’t even think Trump’s policies are any good for the vast majority of the population. He’s a self-serving showman who is tearing apart civil society. — Noah Te Stroete
If you don't know that Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, and Obama were the same president, you are missing the point. This is not a partisan issue. The corruption and dysfunction are bipartisan. — fishfry
But the major point is that Trump and Bernie both result from a populace starting to notice that something's wrong with what's been passing as the ruling class consensus. — fishfry
The problem is the system, I agree, but not in the sense that you may think. The system has been telling you lies since birth: what to value, how you are valued, how to value other people. — Noah Te Stroete
Neither Bernie nor Trump offer any sane solutions. Just more egomaniacal bullshit. — Noah Te Stroete
I just prefer the lies of the Democrats, — Noah Te Stroete
so I won’t be voting for Trump. — Noah Te Stroete
I don't understand how you can say that. I think all of them had their faults and weaknesses, and I think W. was arguably culpable of criminality for the invasion of Iraq. But none of them hold a candle to Trump when it comes to downright mendacity and self-dealing. He is visibly, palpably dishonest and utterly corrupt. The Republicans muttered about impeaching Obama when he wore a tan suit on the White House podium. Can you think for a minute what they would have said if a Democrat had pandered to Putin, like Trump has? Can you imagine the pandemonium if a Democrat had been called out for exactly the phone call that the impeachment enquiry was about? Even several of the Republicans who voted to acquit said he was shown to be guilty but that they had decided to put politics before principle and the law. — Wayfarer
I agree with you the Democratic Party seems hopeless at this point. But that's hardly a matter for rejoicing. — Wayfarer
To me, your viewpoint seems utterly bathed in cynicism — Wayfarer
- like Trump's obvious malfeasance is the 'fault of the system'. — Wayfarer
Whereas he's visibly corrupting the system, tearing down faith in the law, the foreign services, America's alliances, and the media. How can any of that be a good thing? — Wayfarer
Ok man. See you in November. We'll let the American people decide. — fishfry
Matters of law, and the abuse thereof, are not decided by public elections, but by the penal code. Those who flout the penal code ought to be subject to legal sanction not popular vote. This will be the case, even if Trump wins the election, which would amply demonstrate that his occupancy of that office is a threat to the rule of law. — Wayfarer
1. Donald Trump during his property management interests was accused of discriminating and settle out of court.
2. Fred Trump was involved in the KKK rally in New York City and was incarcerated.
3. Donald Trump during his presidency has explicitly disparaged minority women and has told them to go back to their countries because he didn't like them critiquing him.
4. Donald Trump routinely uses racist language and appears to support extreme white nationalism. — 3017amen
5. Michael Flynn who was Trump's campaign director plead guilty to Russia collusion.
6. Six individuals were found guilty of wrongdoing all of whom were part of Trump's 2016 campaign. And some are in jail.
7. Trump destroyed the transcripts from the Putin summit.
8. The Mueller report did not find collusion, but found Russia meddling with our election on his watch. — 3017amen
9. During Muellers testimony , Mueller was asked specifically whether he felt Trump had lied to him and he said I quote: "generally". — 3017amen
I don't see how anyone can watch that Helsinki performance and still believe that Trump is acting in American interests. Not possible.
As for the Democrats acting lawlessly - that has no foundation in fact. But again, there are no facts in Trumpworld, so as you say, pointless to argue. — Wayfarer
Do you have any arguments as to why he should be impeached. — Nonsense
Can you tell is why you know that the e-mails were damaging if you did not see them, and why we should not see them if they are damaging?who he lied about his efforts to obtain damaging emails related to Hillary Clinton’s — 3017amen
Can you tell us who these "Russian agents" are and how one "steals e-mails"?that were stolen by Russian agents. — 3017amen
The answer to why they were, of course, was to cover-up for the Dumpertrumper. Regarding Russian agents, since he was convicted by a jury I'm thinking Roger/the Dumpertrumper knows (or perhaps the jury)?
What do you think? — 3017amen
You may want to check-in with Dr. Spock, he's not as emotional as you seem to be... .
LOL — 3017amen
Quod non intelligis? — 3017amen
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