Bullshit. — Frank Apisa
The theory of justification is a part of epistemology that attempts to understand the justification of propositions and beliefs. Epistemologists are concerned with various epistemic features of belief, which include the ideas of justification, warrant, rationality, and probability. Loosely speaking, justification is the reason that someone (properly) holds a belief. — Wikipedia on the Theory of Justification
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↪Frank Apisa I agree with you when it comes to questions about the unknown. I don't use the word believe, for the same reasons you give. However I have no issue with the philosophy of epistemology. Jtb is appropriate for philosophies which address human issues, humanities, politics etc.
But this thread is not about that, it is about certainty, the certainty of reality. So jtb is irrelevant and we both have to rely on logic and a kind of thinking which ignores human issues, beliefs and ways of thinking. — Punshhh
This leaves me at the position expressed in this phrase. "I know, therefore there is something" — Punshhh
Thank you for your considerations of my intelligence and knowledge. I disagree with you about that, but I stand by what I have posted thus far. — Frank Apisa
Fair enough! And I will repeat my assessment of your assessment. It is BULLSHIT. All of it! — Frank Apisa
In the context of JtB, the term "knowledge" is linked to the term "belief", i.e. knowledge is a particular type of belief. — alcontali
That does not diminish in any way that calling the JtB doctrine "bullshit", makes you arrogant and ignorant. Furthermore, JtB is not my doctrine. Therefore, anybody with even just moderate knowledge on epistemology will simply have to objectively conclude the same as I did about you: arrogant and ignorant. — alcontali
If you want to think that I am arrogant and ignorant... — Frank Apisa
So, yes, you are arrogant and ignorant in claiming that the JtB doctrine would be "bullshit". — alcontali
our only hope of escaping this dilemma is if there is someone out there with the powers of God; a divine being who has the reality-making power to go beyond the limits of the human condition. — rikes
Normally I would agree with you, but this thread is about certainty. So when you have certainty about an experience, what is it you are certain of?Why is it apparently never enough simply to say that I cannot doubt the occurrence of certain experiences? We can build our knowledge up from our own experiences.
A big part of the problem we are dealing with here...is the seeming reluctance of so many people who just will not utter or write the words "I do not know" in any meaningful form. — Frank Apisa
We would also have to know what knowing is to say that there are things that we know and things that we don't. We must also know how to use language in order to represent the state-of-affairs of knowing that we know nothing for sure with scribbles on a screen.The only thing we know for sure is that we don't know anything for sure. — Tree
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