• Benkei
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    Every administration has done it.NOS4A2

    Oh, so he did do it. Thanks for admitting to it finally.

    Tu quoque isn't an argument but the way. Only kids think it is.
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    Oh, so he did do it. Thanks for admitting to it finally.

    Tu quoque isn't an argument but the way. Only kids think it is.

    And here you are cherry picking from the sidelines like a little cheerleader. U mad?
  • Benkei
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    Great argument. Oh wait, there's isn't one as usual. Carry on.
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    Here’s my argument.

    You're zero for two. The GAO is an investigative arm of Congress with no power. It offers an opinion, or for democrats and their parrots, a piece of paper they can wave in the air to justify an unjust impeachment. The administration has offered the opposite opinion, that everything is done legally. You've merely accepted the song and dance of congress. Also, no criminal penalties are associated with violating the impound control act. Every administration has done it. So you're wrong on that account.

    The Attorney General disagreed with that finding of the Horowitz report, that "The Inspector General’s report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions". US Attorney John Durham, who is conducting a Justice Department criminal review of the investigation into Russia, said "Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened". So according to those now investigating the utter failure of Crossfire Hurricane and the Mueller investigation, you're wrong on that account.


    Here’s what you cherry picked:

    Every administration has done it.

    Great argument.
  • Benkei
    7.7k
    Oh good. Now we also know that you don't know what an argument is and that you swallow propaganda like a prostitute.
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    Oh good. Now we also know that you don't know what an argument is and that you swallow propaganda like a prostitute.

    You’re zero for two, Benkei. (Or is it three?) and this from someone who claims to exist outside of propaganda.
  • Benkei
    7.7k
    So now you can't count either. Wonderful.
  • Michael
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    The tentative end of America’s longest war is on the horizon.

    U.S.-Taliban sign landmark agreement in bid to end America's longest war

    This is what happens when you give Trump the nuclear codes.
    NOS4A2

    Unfortunately that didn't last long. I don't think there's anything that the Trump administration can say or do that other administrations haven't already tried. Short of finding a way to wipe out the Taliban entirely, I don't know what will get them to stop fighting.

    Unless the U.S. just withdraws and leaves the Talban for the Afghanistan government to deal with. But then that's not really peace, just abandoning an ongoing war.
  • NOS4A2
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    Unfortunately that didn't last long. I don't think there's anything that Trump can say or do that other administrations haven't already tried. Short of finding a way to wipe out the Taliban entirely, I don't know what will get them to stop fighting.

    He just needs to stick to his guns, especially when the Taliban aren't willing to do so. As Trump has always said on the matter, "We'll see what happens".
  • tim wood
    9.3k
    Do you ever get tired of Trump's lies and those of his yes-men and women?
    — tim wood

    3x asked, so far zero times answered.
    tim wood

    4x, no answer. I invite all who reply to nos4 to stick with this. He acknowledges that Trump and his are liars all. Or not, and he says so.
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    4x, no answer. I invite all who reply to nos4 to stick with this. He acknowledges that Trump and his are liars all. Or not, and he says so.

    This is the 4th time you’ve asked your loaded question and expected an answer, even though I responded the first time you asked it.
  • tim wood
    9.3k
    This is the 4th time you’ve asked your loaded question and expected an answer, even though I responded the first time you asked it.NOS4A2

    Now 5x. Your response was not an answer. Here it is in full:
    Do you ever get tired of Trump's lies and those of his yes-men and women?

    I get tired of you parroting whatever the DNC wants you to. I tire of you lamenting a dystopian future that never arrives. How can you look at yourself in a mirror?
    NOS4A2

    And how is it a loaded question? Trump lies and surrounds himself with liars. Is there some reason you cannot acknowledge that? Of course it casts a bit of light onto you and what you're doing, and I can understand how you might find that intolerable. What's the matter, nos4, no guts? No courage whatsoever?
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    It’s a question loaded with presumptions. Either way I answer would make me seem complicit. That’s the point: you don’t want a discussion, you want to malign your opponents, because I suspect that’s all you have left.
  • tim wood
    9.3k
    Do you ever get tired of Trump's lies and those of his yes-men and women?NOS4A2

    6x. Still unable to answer?

    It’s a question loaded with presumptions. Either way I answer would make me seem complicit. That’s the point: you don’t want a discussion, you want to malign your opponents, because I suspect that’s all you have left.NOS4A2
    You are complicit.

    Everyone: why respond to nos4 at all, if he refuses either to acknowledge that Trump and Trump's are liars, or to deny it.
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    I’ve already responded to your loaded question while acknowledging how fallacious and bad faith it is. You can either accept that or follow your own double standards and stop responding.
  • tim wood
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    I’ve already responded to your loaded question while acknowledging how fallacious and bad faith it is. You can either accept that or follow your own double standards and stop responding.NOS4A2

    Now anyone can plainly see you're vicious and a liar yourself. You have not answered. And the question is substantive wrt the topic. My mistake, and possibly shared by others, is to suppose you to be other than a vicious liar. But 315 pages in and it's explicitly clear.

    Let's go for 7x. See, even I don't give up hope for you..

    Do you ever get tired of Trump's lies and those of his yes-men and women?
  • Deletedmemberzc
    2.5k
    why respond to nos4 at all,tim wood

    There's absolutely no reason to respond to him except to point out a lie or mis- or dis-informative post.
  • tim wood
    9.3k
    I second that adding only that we know that is what he does, and he won't change. You may as well try to teach trigonometry to a pig.
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    Out of one side of the mouth:

    Everyone: why respond to nos4 at all

    Out of the other side of the mouth:

    Now anyone can plainly see you're vicious and a liar yourself. You have not answered. And the question is substantive wrt the topic. My mistake, and possibly shared by others, is to suppose you to be other than a vicious liar. But 315 pages in and it's explicitly clear.

    Let's go for 7x. See, even I don't give up hope for you..
  • praxis
    6.5k
    How about a practical test.

    Many of the people in DACA, no longer very young, are far from ‘angels.’ Some are very tough, hardened criminals.

    I was the person who saved Pre-Existing Conditions in your healthcare.

    'Years of economic decay are over' because Trump 'reversed the failed economic policies of the previous administration.'

    Some of the Democrats have been talking about ending (coverage for) pre-existing conditions.

    In many places, like California, the same person votes many times. You probably heard about that. They always like to say 'oh that's a conspiracy theory.' Not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions and millions of people.

    Over the last two years, the number of murders in America and America’s major cities has dropped, unlike here (Chicago), by more than 10%.

    Originally "almost all models predicted" Dorian would hit Alabama.

    California "admitted" there were "a million" illegal votes in the 2016 presidential election.

    There has never been, ever before, an administration that’s been so open and transparent.

    "The noise (from windmills) causes cancer.

    Democrats let him (cop killer Luis Bracamontes) into our country," and "Democrats let him stay."

    Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad," including Somalia and Ukraine.

    Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and the rest of the corrupt Democrats made a promise to their crazy left-wing base that they would impeach me even BEFORE I took office.

    Today I opened a major Apple Manufacturing plant in Texas that will bring high paying jobs back to America.

    Does this stuff ever get old, @NOS4A2?
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    No, it doesn't.

    I say this because everyone makes mistakes, exaggerates, misspeaks, forgets, and *gasp* lies. So I wager it gets tiring holding people to inhuman standards. Trump talks a lot, so any list of falsities is only a part of the story. What I'd love to see, for once, is a list of truths.
  • Monitor
    227
    What I'd love to see, for once, is a list of truths.NOS4A2

    Start typing.
  • praxis
    6.5k
    No, it doesn't.NOS4A2

    There you have it, Tim.

    I wager it gets tiring holding people to inhuman standards.NOS4A2

    It's exhausting in Trump's case.

    Just a little graphical comparison for you:

    RWIFYJ7IVI54RHKGFJBUUN3QFY.png&w=1440
  • Deletedmemberzc
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    I say this because everyone makes mistakes, exaggerates, misspeaks, forgets, and *gasp* lies. So I wager it gets tiring holding people to inhuman standards. Trump talks a lot, so any list of falsities is only a part of the story. What I'd love to see, for once, is a list of truths.NOS4A2

    What a bootlicking thing to say.
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    It’s a shame Obama was so effete and ineffective and boring. All that truth-telling got us nowhere.
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    What a bootlicking thing to say.

    If only your opinion mattered.
  • Deletedmemberzc
    2.5k
    If only your opinion mattered.NOS4A2

    That the above is a bootlicking thing to say is nearer to a fact than what we find in the bulk of your posts.
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    That the above is a bootlicking thing to say is nearer to a fact than what we find in the bulk of your posts.

    My eyes glaze over as soon as I see your reply. I’m surprised you didn’t go copy and paste some article to pad your lack of original thought.
  • Deletedmemberzc
    2.5k
    and *gasp* liesNOS4A2

    A histrionic cynicism in regard to thousands upon thousands of lies. A telling attitude toward the truth.
  • NOS4A2
    9.2k


    I like to know what my president is thinking, whether he spits truth or not. You would prefer a gaggle of social media consultants, PR specialists and speech writers to tell you stories,
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