I say neither probability estimate is based on anything but a pre-existing bias one way or the other.
You? — Frank Apisa
My intent is to establish whether or not you claim or agree that you are GODLESS - as I'd parenthetically spoon-fed (and then quoted by) you:You are asking me if I am "GODLESS" because of some reason...without even establishing that I am GODLESS. — Frank Apisa
In the original post the Greek word is linked to a wiki article which defines the word and its historical usage from antiquity to the present; and is synonymous with GODLESS. If you really want to know what I mean, follow the link for ἄθεος. :eyes:What does "GODLESS" mean?
And the ending of the first part of your "question" is Greek to me.
:roll:I am totally willing to answer any question you ask
Well since I asked a Yes or No question, "yes or no" are the only answers relevant to the question; what's listed are not "answers" but suggested reasons for your answer, including an open undefined option for any other reason or reasons for the answer, quite the contrary, that you're refusing to give. :sweat:...providing you do not tell me I must answer it only with answers you provide...
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You are asking me if I am "GODLESS" because of some reason...without even establishing that I am GODLESS.
— Frank Apisa
My intent is to establish whether or not you claim or agree that you are GODLESS - as I'd parenthetically spoon-fed (and then quoted by) you: — 180 Proof
IN OTHER WORDS, Do you LIVE a theistic g/G Belief-FREE, theistic Religion-FREE life ...? — 180
Mmmm yummy yummy, Frankie ... quit spitting-out my yummy spoonfuls! :yum: — 180
What does "GODLESS" mean?
And the ending of the first part of your "question" is Greek to me. — 180
In the original post the Greek word is linked to a wiki article which defines the word and its historical usage from antiquity to the present; and is synonymous with GODLESS. If you really want to know what I mean, follow the link for ἄθεος. :eyes:
I am totally willing to answer any question you ask
:roll: — 180
...providing you do not tell me I must answer it only with answers you provide...
Well since I asked a Yes or No question, "yes or no" are the only answers relevant to the question; the list are not "answers" but suggested reasons for your answer, including an open undefined option for any other reason or reasons for the answer, quite the contrary, that you're refusing to give. :sweat:
180 Proof
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What I don't do...is go to church or worry about the dictates of any gods.
— Frank Apisa
Yes, Godless -
ἄθεος; no reason given. My work's done here. Thanks, Frankie. :rofl: — 180 Proof
Let's say you present yourself as an atheist as a tactic to keep the flies off. But you present yourself as an agnostic when you're in the mood to discuss the subject. There are strange flies in your country. In mine they are not so easily frightened off. Declaring yourself an atheist is the easiest way to get bitten by flies.Saying I'm an agnostic is morely to invite discussion, and I'm not always in the mood. Trial and error helped me to find out that I was happier if I generally said that I was an atheist and clarify that I was actually an agnostic when already in conversation on the topic. — Dawnstorm
Do these terms mean that you have observed the stimulus prior to its description, or, you heard its description prior to your observation, respectively? — CeleRate
If the order is the distinction, I'm still unsure how that would be the critical variable. Wouldn't the extraordinariness of a claim be more pertinent? — CeleRate
Maybe it would help me to understand the epistemology you use to develop an understanding of things contained in the universe, and what is meant by level. — CeleRate
One's world-view is ultimately what a given individual believes is understood. But people's worldviews can undergo conversions. — CeleRate
One of the things I "got" there, though, was a predisposition toward "There probably are no gods"...which is a perfectly fine take to have on the REALITY. Fact is, either there is at least one god...or there are none. So the hard atheist and the hard theist have at least a 50% chance of being correct. And the use of "atheist" as a descriptor for someone with that disposition MAKES SENSE. — Frank Apisa
There are strange flies in your country. In mine they are not so easily frightened off. Declaring yourself an atheist is the easiest way to get bitten by flies. — David Mo
One important question about word-first concepts is this: how do we satisfy ourselves that this thing or this constellation of things corresponds to this concept? (Conversion experiences should be interesting.) — Dawnstorm
Basically, I'd need some way to check for evidence of God, or some sort of perspective that allows me to interpret stuff that's there as evidence for God. I've developed the unsystematic intuition that if you have faith in God, everything is potential evidence, and if you don't nothing is. And that's a bit of a road block. I don't think there's a specific direction my God concept has to... concretise?... before I can really tackle the question of existance. — Dawnstorm
but I think the bulk of one's worldview is unconcious, and it's less a finished product, and more an ongoing progress. — Dawnstorm
My position, though, is better described that the hard atheist and hard theist have a 0 % chance to be correct, because their respective claims aren't meaningful enough to trigger correctness conditions. Both claims can be disregarded. (This implies that an agnostic who believes that either the hard atheist or the hard theist is correct, would also have 0 % chance to be correct.) — Dawnstorm
But, if you want to suppose someone saying that either "yes" or "no" is correct for a "yes or no" question...go with it. — Frank Apisa
Forcing the point on me, I revise (or, better, yet qualify) my contention that 'atheism is not a belief' by reformulating it so: atheism is a negating BELIEF ABOUT theism and (therefore) also a lack of BELIEF IN theistic g/G's.Atheism is a belief...not a lack of "belief." — Frank Apisa
I've so far dismissed your subjective avowal of "agnosticism" without a line-by-line examination, or deconstruction; I'll correct that oversight here ...My personal agnosticism is a true lack of belief:
"Bullshit"? This from a man who can't "guess" whether or not (because he doesn't "know") &÷#@$% :rofl:The rest of what you wrote is bullshit...and I suspect you know that.
But thanks for sharing it. — Frank Apisa
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