I'd argue your statement is not particularly relevant here, in asserting that there's no "Golden Rule", or whatever your point is or was. — IvoryBlackBishop
You do realize that the notion of all people being equal is a concept based on Christianity, — Nobeernolife
As are other concepts fundamental to Western civilization, such as the sanctity of life or neighbourly love. Islam, for example, has none of those. — Nobeernolife
The Golden rule is older than Christianity. Actually Christianity is Hellenized Judaism. We do not need religion for morals. — Athena
Whoo... where did you get that idea? For someone who wants me to respect all religions and not generalize, that sure seemed like a very US Christian thing to say! How many times have you read the Quaran and how many of your friends are Muslim? — Athena
Whoo... where did you get that idea? For someone who wants me to respect all religions and not generalize, that sure seemed like a very US Christian thing to say! — Athena
I would love it if you responded to all my thoughts, not just the words you want to argue against — Athena
I have read the Koran and the Haddiths, have you? Obviously not, otherwise you would know that what I said is correct. Concepts like the sanctitiy of life, separation of religion and state, and neighbourly love do not exist in islamic teaching. I was simply stating a fact. — Nobeernolife
From the hadith, the collected oral and written accounts of Muhammad and his teachings during his lifetime:
A Bedouin came to the prophet, grabbed the stirrup of his camel and said: O the messenger of God! Teach me something to go to heaven with it. Prophet said: "As you would have people do to you, do to them; and what you dislike to be done to you, don't do to them. Now let the stirrup go!" [This maxim is enough for you; go and act in accordance with it!]"
— Kitab al-Kafi, vol. 2, p. 146
None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.
— An-Nawawi's Forty Hadith 13 (p. 56)[33]
Seek for mankind that of which you are desirous for yourself, that you may be a believer.
— Sukhanan-i-Muhammad (Teheran, 1938)[34]
That which you want for yourself, seek for mankind.[34]
The most righteous person is the one who consents for other people what he consents for himself, and who dislikes for them what he dislikes for himself.[34]
Ali ibn Abi Talib (4th Caliph in Sunni Islam, and first Imam in Shia Islam) says:
O' my child, make yourself the measure (for dealings) between you and others. Thus, you should desire for others what you desire for yourself and hate for others what you hate for yourself. Do not oppress as you do not like to be oppressed. Do good to others as you would like good to be done to you. Regard bad for yourself whatever you regard bad for others. Accept that (treatment) from others which you would like others to accept from you... Do not say to others what you do not like to be said to you.
— Nahjul Balaghah, Letter 31[35]
“What is morally wrong can never be advantageous, even when it enables you to make some gain that you believe to be to your advantage. The mere act of believing that some wrongful course of action constitutes an advantage is pernicious.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero
Glory follows virtue as if it were its shadow. Marcus Tullius Cicero
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Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Marcus Tullius Cicero
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The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil. Marcus Tullius Cicero
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Ability without honor is useless. Marcus Tullius Cicero
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Our character is not so much the product of race and heredity as of those circumstances by which nature forms our habits, by which we are nurtured and live. Marcus Tullius Cicero
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Here's the problem I have with your position in general - it is too ideo-centric. You don't seem to have a healthy sense of cultural/normative relativism. There is no limit to the possible number of ways to solve a problem and core institutions are precisely what need to be reformed from the bottom up. Democracy, socialism, these are just labels, not recipes. The solution required needs to unite many different domains, economic, social, spiritual, political. If the political dimension is going to be "democratic" then it will certainly have to be a different brand of democracy than I have seen in operation. I like the way many European democracies work, however, coalitions of parties. That seems to me a good model of co-operation. — Pantagruel
For the organization of democracy, that is not what this thread is about — Athena
Exactly. I would act morally whether or not legislatively required to. I internalize normative authority, as I'm sure do many people. Traditionally, the internalization of moral authority is viewed as a normal part of socio-psychological development. — Pantagruel
“What is morally wrong can never be advantageous, even when it enables you to make some gain that you believe to be to your advantage. The mere act of believing that some wrongful course of action constitutes an advantage is pernicious.” — Cicero
But you missed these verses. — Athena
It was morally wrong for the US to invade Iraq and doing so escalated wars and human suffering and the potential for a world war. A moral must include the future, (snip) — Athena
Glory follows virtue as if it were its shadow. — Cicero
To conclude morality is a real phemonenon which consists of a moral way that you can neglect. — xyzmix
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